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and good evening from Philadelphia Frank

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here with yet another edition of UFO

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news network Sunday as always we're

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gonna get right down to it not waste any

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time let's go over to my co-host chan

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Hanna and let's bring in our special

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guests for this evening shall we

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thank you Frank we have a very special

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show tonight this person why I'm about

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to bring on to the show and introduce he

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really doesn't need an introduction he's

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legendary in the realm of UF ology

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everybody knows him his name is

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Alejandro Rojas he's a writer podcaster

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lecturer and digital content creator

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focused on science space science fiction

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and UFOs he has a keen interest in the

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unexplained and is often featured in

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documentaries television shows and news

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interviews Alejandra runs the UFO news

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website open minds dot TV and his

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articles can also be found in The

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Huffington Post den of geek and his

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personal blog Alejandro Rojas comm he is

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also the coordinator of the annual

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international UFO Congress which he

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hosts as the master of ceremonies lastly

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he is on the board of SCU as board

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adviser one of the board advisors he

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actually does such a wonderful job no

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matter what he does whether he's

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interviewing anybody or welcoming folks

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into his UFO Congress which he's well

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known for I love to be able to have the

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privilege and honor of welcoming

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Alejandro Rojas onto our show thank you

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for coming on to our show Alejandro how

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are you I'm doing well and I'm doing

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much better after that wonderful

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introduction thank you so much for all

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those kind words

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we love you Alejandro how are you doing

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tonight by the way I'm doing well

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keeping very busy especially lately

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because there's so much news going on

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which of course we'll get into but yeah

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I'm doing pretty good I have a bit of a

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stuffy nose I think it's allergies but

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other than that I'm well okay good yawn

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I hear you have just a little bit of a

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allergy thing there but you sound

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fantastic I did want to kind of get into

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an interesting topic here and so I'll go

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ahead and touch on that in

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as a Navy release the US Navy drafted

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new guidelines for reporting UFOs I

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wanted to read a quote by you and I also

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want to read a little bit of what

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military.com said about it what you said

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regarding the I'm sorry actually let me

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let me just go straight into the US Navy

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drafting new guidelines for reporting

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about foes I I know I have my - am I

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going to that real quickly there

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Alejandra while I bring up something I'm

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sorry I just had it just disappeared

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right in front of me I don't know how

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that happened yeah just alejandro on top

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of all that they didn't just draft the

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guidelines but they released that

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information to the public which I threw

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the public through the major news media

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I think that's really interesting

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because they really seem to want to get

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that word out there to naval personnel

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that they're pretty serious about this

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they want these reports coming in I

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agree a hundred percent I think that's a

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really important aspect is that this was

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a public announcement through Politico

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but of course there's been a bunch of

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stories out there pretty much every

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major news network has covered it at

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this point and I think that you know

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that's an important aspect of my

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perspective is we do know despite what

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they've been telling us for the last few

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decades that the military takes UFO

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cases seriously in particular you know

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there's a story I got and a lot of this

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information was aided by paul-dean UFO

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researcher in Australia where you know

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it's a thing called

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op rep they use this flag word for an

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important occurrence that needs to go up

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the chain of command and there are UFO

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cases that use this opera flag word and

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these are important cases usually

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however these cases we've seen in the

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60s 70s this is during the time where

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they've said they haven't had an

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interest in UFOs so we know that they

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have but they haven't had a public

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interest in UFOs they've they've always

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said you know whenever researchers

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inquire they send us to this UFO fact

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sheet that they have at the National

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since 1969 we don't really care about

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UFOs anymore so we know that isn't the

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case this is the first time where

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they're kind of coming out and saying we

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you take this seriously despite what

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they've said in the past and we are

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going to be taking in reports I think

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that what we've seen is you know the

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servicemen and women have not felt

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comfortable reporting UFOs and there

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hasn't been kind of the standing you

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know order or they haven't known what to

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do whenever they have these occurrences

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and that is the audience for this though

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Alejandro that's the only to this

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release the public at large doesn't

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really care UFO buffs like ourselves we

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love this stuff but you know so what

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it's for the Navy personnel that's who

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this information that that's who that

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what this who this release is for for

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both it's for the Navy personnel but

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also the public and the reason I say

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that is that anything that the major and

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Navy personnel do for instance when they

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have a UFO or encounter or something

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they're gonna share well here's what I

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did when it comes to the Nimitz for

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example that we know what they did but

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there was no Standing Orders when they

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got back they were made fun of when they

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got back to the to the Nimitz after the

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pilots had in their encounter so I mean

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all is if they still they still will

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they will still take some rivet even if

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it is official ribbing but at least

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there was no standing protocol by by

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making this public they didn't have to

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share this with the public so sure these

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are reporting guidelines for the Navy

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personnel but they're making a public

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that they're gonna be taking these

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reports and that they're gonna be taking

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them seriously so it is a very public

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thing essentially it's a change in their

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stance we're not gonna ignore this

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anymore we're not gonna send you packing

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when you ask about it instead we're

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gonna take this seriously

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we're gonna encourage our people to

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report these things and then essentially

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adds it just change that we're gonna

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take this topic seriously now and this

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is going let me finish my next show a

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point here this is going to get around

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because just like we have our own UFO

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specific outlets websites podcasts and

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that so on and so forth so does the Navy

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and this news is going to get around to

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the naval personnel this might shake out

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some some very interesting case

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interesting is that they have apparently

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already rolled out these guidelines but

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they're not sharing with the public what

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these guidelines are so we may hear from

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a service personnel in the future you

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know what these guidelines are hopefully

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we will through some of these stories

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that do come out of the woodwork but I

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think you make a good point so I was

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talking to somebody about this today and

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they were saying the Navy doesn't need

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to update UFO reporting procedures they

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just need to follow Jen app 146 II and

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army/navy publication do you have any

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comment on that

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well I mean those are standing orders

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that have been around for decades a very

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long time and in fact you know that's

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kind of what I was referring to earlier

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there used to be this section at least

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for the Air Force of the Gienapp

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outlines but then that changed you this

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ah prep system of kind of flagging these

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even though procedures are on the books

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somewhere doesn't mean your people know

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about it back when they came up with

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those guidelines they had posters you

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know I used this in this blog that I

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made about this whole thing I even used

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the section of the poster where they

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said you know report these things and

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they show enemy aircraft enemy ships and

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they even show unidentified flying off

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two objects and they have a little

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picture of a disc and a little picture

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of this like you know Flash Gordon

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looking spaceship so but this is more

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you know something that they're

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communicating across the line so people

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are aware of what the procedures are and

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what you do and I think this is kind of

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at least internally a whole kind of PR

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program for UFOs it's essentially bad

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guys it's okay you can report these

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please do and not only they want them

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they are the upper brass somewhere in

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the Department of the Navy they want

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these reports right should be very

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interesting news for us UFOs I wanted to

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bring up with military.com does say

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about this fascinating topic we're

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bringing up here and that is exactly

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Kandra was mentioning earlier regarding

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Politico having brought this current

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news to our attention they say as part

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of this effort political reported the

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Navy is updating and formalizing the

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process by which reports of any such

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suspected incursions can be made to the

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cognizant authorities a new message to

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the fleet that will detail the steps

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reporting is in draft the initiative

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comes amid increasing interest from

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lawmakers and the public following the

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release of classified files from the

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Defense Intelligence Agency that

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revealed the funding of projects that

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investigated UFOs wormholes alternate

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dimensions and other obscure topics that

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typically leads to the conspiracy theory

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fringes of the web then just to further

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finish with what they said right now we

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have a situation in which UFOs and you

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ApS are treated as anomalies to be

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ignored

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rather than anomalies to be explored it

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added we have systems that exclude the

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information and dump it the Navy also

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approach in briefing lawmakers last

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thing they said is a response to

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requests for information from

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congressional members and staff Navy

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officials have provided a series of

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briefings by senior naval intelligence

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officials as well as aviators who

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reported hazards to aviation safety the

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service told POLITICO ok moving along I

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wanted to bring up an interesting topic

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and that is on the minds of a lot of

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people in the UFO AG community and that

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is unsigned DoD form 1910 for video

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release I wanted to bring up a quote by

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Alejandra recently when he was reporting

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on this across social media Alejandro

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said and I began the quote just talked

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to Lou Elizondo he wanted to reassure me

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there will definitely be a public

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component to all of this the Navy will

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not share raw data but he says they will

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be providing information to DoD

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leadership in Congress that information

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will be used to create reports for the

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public

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he says the raw data will be classified

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they will need to protect classified

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info such as sources and methods the

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info provided to the public will likely

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include information on their

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interactions with you APN stats

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he says it is kind of like nukes and

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North Korea they do know

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share details about what they know but

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they do inform the public

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NK has the nukes North Korea's nuke the

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public is not left in the dark and will

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not be left in the dark regarding the

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Navy UFOs findings by the way we also

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have an interview tentatively scheduled

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this week and wanted to get a little bit

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more input from you on that Alejandra

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please yeah I think this is a really

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important point because the Washington

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Post had come out with a story the

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headline was maybe no release of UFO

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information to the general public

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expected and this gave the impression

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that the Navy would not be sharing

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anything with the public and in a way

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that's true and I think this kind of

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comes back more that the reporters

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didn't really know the right questions

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to ask they didn't ask you know is this

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information gonna be shared at some

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point and that's the point that Lou

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really wanted to share when we talk

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today and he was more than happy to say

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yeah do please share this with people

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why would Lou know because you know Tom

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DeLonge made the point that that we were

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involved with the the Navy getting this

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information out I you know already saw

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the writing on the why I wrote a blog

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about how you know that's the case that

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the stars had everything to do with this

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and then Chris melon when this DD 1910

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form which we're gonna talk about came

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out he also spoke to the fact that you

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know we did have a lot to do with all

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this information coming out we have been

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working with these politicians and with

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these military leadership in the

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background on all of this so they are in

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a position to know and and what I find

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is kind of you know behind the scenes

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with Lou sharing this information is

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that he is in the know so these guys are

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a part of these conversations so Lou

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shared and you know I think the North

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Korea thing is a great example that of

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course we don't get all that raw Intel

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that they have that they acquire on

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North Korea in their nukes but they do

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share with us some information they

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share with us even locations and

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facilities at time so there's varying

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amounts of information they share with

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us about North Korea and their their

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program but

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what he says is it'll be similar at some

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point in the future you know they will

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be sending reports to their military

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leadership to Congress and then it is

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according to him part of the plan that

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they will be releasing these reports

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about their findings their interactions

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and I think that's one thing that we

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have to keep in mind and and I know a

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lot of people are hesitant about to the

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Stars and some of the people involved

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but you know having some direct access

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to them and also following this story we

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haven't really found them to be wrong I

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mean they have been making ground on all

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of these things and we do have kind of a

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friend in the UFO business here it's

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like the same company a friend in the

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diamond industry we do have these guys

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champing championing us to make sure

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that this happens how many things our

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little lobbying group things are a lot

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more interesting these days you know

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better five years and you think how

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pretty well dead things were compared to

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what they are now there's oh my god to

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talk about I mean those were those were

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kind of the dark ages you know the

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middle game of the decade just not a

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whole lot going on but that based on

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your conversations with Elizondo it's

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pretty clear that there is a an outside

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team but to the Stars Academy and

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there's also very much an inside team as

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well I think you make a great point

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there in fact in the Navy response they

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said that Congress wanted to be briefed

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and briefed and they naval intelligence

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officers briefed Congress on the UFO

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situation there are known even though

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there are people in my in the

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intelligence community

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I see they call it which is a term I

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think we're gonna be using more such as

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you know people like Chris melon and

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Elizondo come from intelligence they

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don't come from naval intelligence so

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who are these naval intelligence people

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that were briefing Congress on UFOs of

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all things so at the very least who were

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the Congress people the Senators or

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their representatives you know well we

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know a little bit about that we do know

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that the Senate and the house arms

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committees were

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we also know that that one of the space

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well science committees I think it was a

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house science committee also had some

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briefings that that would have Bera and

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I believe he was at the Politico

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roundtable last year and he talked about

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this a little bit do you know that he is

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specifically one of the Congress people

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briefed we do have this through it some

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information Nick Pope did a great

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article in The Guardian Nick Pope worked

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for the mo D investigating UFOs and he

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found a lot of great information and

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talked with some of the Nimitz witnesses

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to find out where the different areas

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were and so some there is some evidence

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especially with the armed committees but

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not necessarily for the Space Committee

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but he heard that I believe anecdotally

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I'd have to look at that story again

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that it was a Space Committee he even

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said that the armed services kind of

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said hey no this is our arena leave this

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to us

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you don't need to bother with this ok

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Alejandra I wanted to bring your

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attention something that a document in

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FOIA experts Paul Dean brought to her

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attention he's also known as a young gun

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in ufology regarding the DoD 1910 form

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he said this I spoke briefly with Paul

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Dean earlier today in Australia and he

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stated he knew for an absolute fact the

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1910 forms cited is genuine he also

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knows that the process was slapdash and

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corners were cut this is precisely why

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the DoD's public affairs people did not

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confirm the provenance of the videos

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last year Paul says and I quote the

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exact words used for the second time in

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12 months where that folks noses were

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out of joint at public affairs Paul also

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said that indeed some of the issues were

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raised with the 1910 forum and the

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process generally are irrelevant but the

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whole thing will turn out to be a very

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low import in the long run Paul stated

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and I quote that the Navy has confirmed

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the authenticity of the videos to

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Congress I can assure you of that much

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soon very recently filmed interviews

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with pilots will be revealed and the

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incidents and the videos and others will

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be discussed properly Paul also stated

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that from the Atlantic at least the

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pilots are very keen to be heard he

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also confirmed that the USAF has had

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recent cases but wasn't told anything

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else and is grateful for what he has had

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has to hand already how do you feel

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about what Paul just said there

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alejandro paul's a genius i think that

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paul says it very well there and I agree

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with him a hundred percent and it's

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great that he brings in the aspect that

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it's not that big of a deal it's not the

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only people that have questioned where

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the did the veracity of these videos are

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mostly UFO people in the UFO industry

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kind of UFO nerds and and I've even said

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you know people who want to kind of tie

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the strings of some of these loose loose

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ends that are still out there because it

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hasn't been a big deal the media has not

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made a big deal out of it nobody's made

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a big deal out of it about except for us

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UFO nerds is it important yeah I think

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we always want to make sure that the

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provenance is is solid but the reason

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why nobody's paid attention and this is

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one of the big things that's been lost

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on people I think is that you know

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originally it was a New York Times she

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shared the first couple of those videos

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and they said they got him from the DoD

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that the DoD had released them well

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nobody seemed to want to ask them you

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know how did you get these so that was

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the first thing I asked Leslie Kane once

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the story came out and she said we had

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this DD 1910 it is a document that shows

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that these these things were released by

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the DoD and she said we vetted this

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document we verify that it's real we

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know with a hundred percent certainty

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that this document is real that really

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put things to rest the New York Times

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had vetted it and so the media ran with

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it everybody in the mainstream world was

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comfortable too to say okay this has got

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to be legit so it's not just Elizondo

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that was talking about this DD 1910 I

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know George Knapp had seen it I actually

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had seen a copy of it as well but

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Elizondo wasn't able to release it

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because it wasn't history lease he was

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like it is you know he's not releasing

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anything that wasn't in his a tip

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program that he who isn't allowed to

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make the call to release luckily George

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Knapp did release this recently but not

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only do we have then Elizondo and the

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New York Times verifying the veracity we

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also have Harry

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read in the story with George Knapp when

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George Knapp released this document so

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the that the document is real is very

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very strong some people have nitpicked

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you know it looks weird but I think Paul

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Dean has nailed a couple aspects on the

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head first that they were cutting

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corners that they got this out quickly

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so you know there was less maybe

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deliberation on this document there

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there would normally be the other thing

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that I think that he got exactly correct

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is that the PR department for the d-o-d

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did seem to be miffed about it they said

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that this was supposed to go through us

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first and I've heard people argued

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that's not true

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that's nowhere in those statements of

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the protocol what's supposed to be done

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is it a requirement that the press

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department be the last step but

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obviously they seem to want it to be the

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last step and so they have not been

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helpful at all they've had they've been

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very unhelpful to researchers they have

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not been sharing information or

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documents with us so for instance I

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requested via FOIA this DD 1910 back you

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know over a year ago maybe close to two

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years ago now and they haven't given it

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to us they haven't given us anything

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they've denied us any information

547
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John Greenwald has got the most amount

548
00:22:41,110 --> 00:22:39,560
of information but what's weird that

549
00:22:43,300 --> 00:22:41,120
they seem to be giving him the most

550
00:22:45,250 --> 00:22:43,310
amount of information granted he is an

551
00:22:47,110 --> 00:22:45,260
expert in all of this stuff he has

552
00:22:49,060 --> 00:22:47,120
contacts he knows what who to talk to

553
00:22:51,940 --> 00:22:49,070
you but he's also been very skeptical

554
00:22:54,940 --> 00:22:51,950
he's kind of been spinning this in an

555
00:22:58,120 --> 00:22:54,950
anti 8 hip way kind of like the DoD

556
00:23:01,690 --> 00:22:58,130
seems to be appreciating that

557
00:23:04,120 --> 00:23:01,700
speculation on my part but I think it

558
00:23:06,310 --> 00:23:04,130
appears that you know Paul Dean is also

559
00:23:09,460 --> 00:23:06,320
speculating in these ways and I think

560
00:23:10,900 --> 00:23:09,470
he's right now you mentioned a let me

561
00:23:13,570 --> 00:23:10,910
yeah let me jump in here real quick yeah

562
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:13,580
you mentioned something weird and the to

563
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:17,210
the Stars Academy TV show is going to

564
00:23:22,360 --> 00:23:19,010
premiere at the end of this month and

565
00:23:24,550 --> 00:23:22,370
what's weird to me is how little

566
00:23:26,590 --> 00:23:24,560
promotion it's gotten

567
00:23:30,670 --> 00:23:26,600
what do you think about that well this

568
00:23:32,110 --> 00:23:30,680
is an interesting topic because it I

569
00:23:34,750 --> 00:23:32,120
agree with you it has got little

570
00:23:37,420 --> 00:23:34,760
promotion they haven't gotten into the

571
00:23:39,820 --> 00:23:37,430
promotion mode yet

572
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:39,830
I have been in a little bit of contact

573
00:23:43,930 --> 00:23:41,930
with History Channel especially because

574
00:23:46,330 --> 00:23:43,940
of Project Blue Book and other shows and

575
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:46,340
being in the press I have access to kind

576
00:23:49,930 --> 00:23:48,650
of the back door for the press where we

577
00:23:52,780 --> 00:23:49,940
get our materials were all these

578
00:23:54,820 --> 00:23:52,790
different shows and there has been

579
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:54,830
little promotion and they haven't

580
00:23:59,920 --> 00:23:57,290
started yet rich is weird and luckily

581
00:24:01,240 --> 00:23:59,930
I'm getting Elizondo early because they

582
00:24:03,430 --> 00:24:01,250
haven't really started up hopefully

583
00:24:05,410 --> 00:24:03,440
maybe that means next week they're gonna

584
00:24:07,900 --> 00:24:05,420
start promoting it but there's an

585
00:24:09,340 --> 00:24:07,910
indication that and I'm not sure why

586
00:24:11,860 --> 00:24:09,350
they haven't promoted it maybe they're

587
00:24:13,510 --> 00:24:11,870
nervous about how it'll do but there was

588
00:24:16,660 --> 00:24:13,520
an indication that there is there are a

589
00:24:18,940 --> 00:24:16,670
lot of people highly interested I had

590
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:18,950
gotten these photos and I had gotten

591
00:24:22,990 --> 00:24:20,930
them from the History Channel and

592
00:24:26,140 --> 00:24:23,000
through proper channels and I shared

593
00:24:28,810 --> 00:24:26,150
them online people went wild people were

594
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:28,820
sharing him all over the place Lou had

595
00:24:32,020 --> 00:24:30,530
heard about it and Lou is like hey I

596
00:24:33,820 --> 00:24:32,030
heard about what you released that's

597
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:33,830
people were really freaking out but I

598
00:24:38,890 --> 00:24:36,050
told him hey if Alejandro shared him he

599
00:24:40,540 --> 00:24:38,900
must have had permission to so even Lou

600
00:24:42,610 --> 00:24:40,550
had heard about it within a few hours of

601
00:24:45,070 --> 00:24:42,620
me posting it so it was all over the

602
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:45,080
place and then I got a note from History

603
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:47,690
Channel saying hey actually that we that

604
00:24:51,340 --> 00:24:49,610
was released a little premature could

605
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:51,350
you take those down for a little while

606
00:24:55,870 --> 00:24:53,810
and I said sure because you know I want

607
00:24:58,810 --> 00:24:55,880
them on there my good side so I did take

608
00:25:02,590 --> 00:24:58,820
those down but the fervor that those the

609
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:02,600
posting of those pictures created you

610
00:25:05,530 --> 00:25:04,250
know was kind of positive Lou was really

611
00:25:07,330 --> 00:25:05,540
excited he's like wow it seems like

612
00:25:10,090 --> 00:25:07,340
people are interested in the show so

613
00:25:12,670 --> 00:25:10,100
there is a lot of interest but you're

614
00:25:15,940 --> 00:25:12,680
right I have not seen a lot of promotion

615
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:15,950
yet yeah I'm glad you brought up all

616
00:25:20,410 --> 00:25:17,570
that by the way I just shared the link

617
00:25:24,550 --> 00:25:20,420
to Paul Dean's wonderful website called

618
00:25:25,930 --> 00:25:24,560
UFOs documenting the evidence Paul Dean

619
00:25:29,050 --> 00:25:25,940
please look that up everybody he's a

620
00:25:32,050 --> 00:25:29,060
fantastic researcher and well-known in

621
00:25:34,510 --> 00:25:32,060
the UFO G community moving along to UFO

622
00:25:37,050 --> 00:25:34,520
Congress I wanted to compliment you

623
00:25:38,550 --> 00:25:37,060
Alejandro and this is from the heart

624
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:38,560
everybody

625
00:25:44,250 --> 00:25:41,890
who is anybody wants to be in UFO

626
00:25:47,610 --> 00:25:44,260
Congress as a speaker this is no secret

627
00:25:50,670 --> 00:25:47,620
this is a star-studded event and for a

628
00:25:52,740 --> 00:25:50,680
good reason you've worked very hard to

629
00:25:54,150 --> 00:25:52,750
have only the best folks at this

630
00:25:56,940 --> 00:25:54,160
wonderful convention that you have

631
00:25:59,550 --> 00:25:56,950
annually it's held in Phoenix Arizona is

632
00:26:01,320 --> 00:25:59,560
my understanding and I wanted to know if

633
00:26:03,090 --> 00:26:01,330
you wouldn't mind expounding upon that

634
00:26:04,380 --> 00:26:03,100
so everybody can have the pleasure of

635
00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:04,390
hearing a little bit more about this

636
00:26:10,380 --> 00:26:06,640
fantastic convention that everybody

637
00:26:13,260 --> 00:26:10,390
should go to yes it's a lot of fun it is

638
00:26:16,290 --> 00:26:13,270
September 4th through the 8th and it's

639
00:26:17,670 --> 00:26:16,300
in downtown Phoenix this year you know

640
00:26:22,590 --> 00:26:17,680
one of the things that we did when I

641
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:22,600
first began managing it back in 2011 we

642
00:26:28,380 --> 00:26:26,170
brought it from Laughlin Nevada out to

643
00:26:31,410 --> 00:26:28,390
this beautiful place out here in

644
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:31,420
Scottsdale actually and for me that was

645
00:26:36,270 --> 00:26:33,970
a big deal it was a big deal to bring it

646
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:36,280
kind of front and center to be bold I

647
00:26:41,910 --> 00:26:38,650
think that's important that we be bold

648
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:41,920
we don't have to be shy about our our

649
00:26:46,380 --> 00:26:44,080
interest in this field and like Frank

650
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:46,390
like you mentioned you know the

651
00:26:51,750 --> 00:26:49,210
mainstream or the masses are a lot more

652
00:26:54,690 --> 00:26:51,760
friendly to this this topic than they

653
00:26:56,580 --> 00:26:54,700
were five years ago or so so in 2011 it

654
00:26:58,890 --> 00:26:56,590
was still you know people were very shy

655
00:27:00,720 --> 00:26:58,900
about all of that and even in Phoenix

656
00:27:03,300 --> 00:27:00,730
even in the Phoenix area with the big

657
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:03,310
lights case there well less than most

658
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:06,010
places but even in Phoenix and I felt

659
00:27:09,660 --> 00:27:07,930
Laughlin it felt like you know we were

660
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:09,670
still hiding in mom's basement or

661
00:27:15,090 --> 00:27:12,610
something being bold and bringing it out

662
00:27:17,070 --> 00:27:15,100
to one of the beautiful venues where you

663
00:27:19,890 --> 00:27:17,080
know lots of expensive conferences are

664
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:19,900
held was being bold and bringing it out

665
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:21,490
and now it's even better because now

666
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:23,170
we're in downtown Phoenix so we are

667
00:27:27,660 --> 00:27:25,210
literally in the heart of Phoenix right

668
00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:27,670
next door to all the major new studios

669
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:30,370
so I'm really excited about this year

670
00:27:36,260 --> 00:27:33,490
now I don't choose all the speakers in

671
00:27:39,030 --> 00:27:36,270
fact a lot of people know that I'm very

672
00:27:41,730 --> 00:27:39,040
conservative when it comes to UFOs to

673
00:27:43,590 --> 00:27:41,740
the UFO topic so I'm fairly and so I

674
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:43,600
bring you know the people with the more

675
00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:44,730
credibility

676
00:27:51,260 --> 00:27:48,370
Karen Broward she's a new owner of the

677
00:27:53,900 --> 00:27:51,270
conference and she is

678
00:27:56,780 --> 00:27:53,910
and she has her own perspective but what

679
00:27:59,390 --> 00:27:56,790
I really love about what Karen brings to

680
00:28:01,669 --> 00:27:59,400
all of this is I've always had a concern

681
00:28:04,370 --> 00:28:01,679
for making sure that women participate

682
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:04,380
in this field because I think I have

683
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:05,730
always had a problem I don't like

684
00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:07,770
good-old-boy systems I think they happen

685
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:10,080
everywhere and you know as a man we have

686
00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:11,850
to be cognizant that we are prone to

687
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:13,370
doing this so we have to I think

688
00:28:17,180 --> 00:28:15,570
physically keep ourselves make sure

689
00:28:20,390 --> 00:28:17,190
we're reminding ourselves hey we need to

690
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:20,400
include others and I think I did that

691
00:28:25,910 --> 00:28:23,250
fairly well but Karen doesn't even

692
00:28:27,530 --> 00:28:25,920
better I mean you always need the input

693
00:28:29,710 --> 00:28:27,540
and perspective of those from other

694
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:29,720
communities that you're trying to engage

695
00:28:36,260 --> 00:28:33,330
so she has done an even better job of

696
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:36,270
seeking out and she works very very hard

697
00:28:40,430 --> 00:28:38,610
at seeking out some of the women who are

698
00:28:42,530 --> 00:28:40,440
researchers in this field and bringing

699
00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:42,540
them out to speak at the conference so

700
00:28:46,340 --> 00:28:44,640
we have a large definitely a larger

701
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:46,350
percentage of women in speaking than

702
00:28:52,370 --> 00:28:49,050
most conferences we'll have more to add

703
00:28:53,930 --> 00:28:52,380
but I think it's fun I what I love about

704
00:28:56,210 --> 00:28:53,940
our conference is we try to be very

705
00:28:57,919 --> 00:28:56,220
brave we don't bring just that every day

706
00:29:00,799 --> 00:28:57,929
the same person that's at every

707
00:29:03,530 --> 00:29:00,809
conference you know you see the same

708
00:29:06,110 --> 00:29:03,540
names everywhere we pay attention all

709
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:06,120
year to UFO news and we find people who

710
00:29:11,900 --> 00:29:08,850
are doing exciting stuff right here

711
00:29:14,540 --> 00:29:11,910
right now and we bring those people even

712
00:29:16,220 --> 00:29:14,550
if nobody knows who they are we are

713
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:16,230
confident that people are gonna love

714
00:29:21,140 --> 00:29:18,330
what they're doing and the information

715
00:29:22,370 --> 00:29:21,150
they're gonna share and we like to feel

716
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:22,380
like we're setting the standard that

717
00:29:26,660 --> 00:29:24,450
when we bring these speakers you know

718
00:29:28,190 --> 00:29:26,670
we're kind of star making in a way that

719
00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:28,200
a lot of people will be like and it

720
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:30,240
happens every year people be like wow I

721
00:29:34,250 --> 00:29:32,490
never knew this person existed and

722
00:29:35,570 --> 00:29:34,260
they're doing so much cool work and then

723
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:35,580
all of a sudden those people are

724
00:29:40,490 --> 00:29:37,410
speaking at all the conferences and and

725
00:29:42,650 --> 00:29:40,500
are the hot ticket or the hot item so

726
00:29:44,450 --> 00:29:42,660
it's fun to be able to do that to light

727
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:44,460
up people to bring new and exciting

728
00:29:49,610 --> 00:29:46,530
information to people every year do you

729
00:29:52,460 --> 00:29:49,620
have a letter yet yeah I'm just gonna

730
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:52,470
ask about that we have the majority of

731
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:54,720
our lineup we don't have all of them yet

732
00:29:58,880 --> 00:29:56,640
we certainly have some exciting people

733
00:30:00,830 --> 00:29:58,890
to list still we're gonna have Stanton

734
00:30:02,450 --> 00:30:00,840
Friedman he's normal he's all over the

735
00:30:04,159 --> 00:30:02,460
place but this will be the last year

736
00:30:04,580 --> 00:30:04,169
since he's retiring so that's gonna be

737
00:30:07,610 --> 00:30:04,590
kind of

738
00:30:08,539 --> 00:30:07,620
and it's gonna be nice too for people to

739
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:08,549
spend time with him

740
00:30:15,049 --> 00:30:12,240
of course the hot topics you know a tip

741
00:30:17,419 --> 00:30:15,059
and everything the guy who is the top of

742
00:30:19,100 --> 00:30:17,429
the heap with the releasing information

743
00:30:21,140 --> 00:30:19,110
on this is George Knapp he's so

744
00:30:24,049 --> 00:30:21,150
extremely important his work is

745
00:30:26,299 --> 00:30:24,059
important he's a mentor to me he's a one

746
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:26,309
of his biggest fans George Knapp will be

747
00:30:28,730 --> 00:30:26,730
there

748
00:30:30,590 --> 00:30:28,740
David Hatcher Childress from ancient

749
00:30:32,330 --> 00:30:30,600
aliens awesome guy he lives here in

750
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:32,340
Arizona so luckily we get to spend a lot

751
00:30:34,340 --> 00:30:33,570
of time with him and he's just such a

752
00:30:36,799 --> 00:30:34,350
cool guy

753
00:30:38,659 --> 00:30:36,809
Jeremy Korbel will be there but Carolyn

754
00:30:41,389 --> 00:30:38,669
Corey a lot of people have been really

755
00:30:42,860 --> 00:30:41,399
interested in her work lately chase

756
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:42,870
let's key we're gonna have there of

757
00:30:47,630 --> 00:30:45,330
course a great researcher she loves to

758
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:47,640
work the conference so we even had her

759
00:30:50,750 --> 00:30:49,440
speak this year but she's like no I want

760
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:50,760
to be at the front desk helping out

761
00:30:54,889 --> 00:30:52,890
Cisco probably when you come to register

762
00:30:56,990 --> 00:30:54,899
you'll be able to get your name tag from

763
00:31:00,019 --> 00:30:57,000
Chase but we've got Richard Dolan

764
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:00,029
and his lovely wife Tracy he they

765
00:31:04,639 --> 00:31:02,370
actually got engaged at our conference

766
00:31:08,450 --> 00:31:04,649
Nick Pope got engaged and married at our

767
00:31:10,430 --> 00:31:08,460
conference by the way well then in the

768
00:31:17,510 --> 00:31:10,440
future that that tells me I maybe I

769
00:31:19,250 --> 00:31:17,520
should avoid your conference I just say

770
00:31:21,110 --> 00:31:19,260
you guys had an excellent guest last

771
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:21,120
week that was Michael masters he's gonna

772
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:24,330
be our conference and a lot of other

773
00:31:31,250 --> 00:31:26,370
names so check out UFO congress.com to

774
00:31:33,529 --> 00:31:31,260
check out some of these cool people and

775
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:33,539
ask about george knapp because to be

776
00:31:37,430 --> 00:31:35,130
honest with you yeah you can't question

777
00:31:41,690 --> 00:31:37,440
his work and everything he's done but he

778
00:31:45,019 --> 00:31:41,700
does an awful lot of criticism of unity

779
00:31:47,510 --> 00:31:45,029
and frankly I find it a little annoying

780
00:31:48,889 --> 00:31:47,520
you know how Kandra you want to you want

781
00:31:50,299 --> 00:31:48,899
to give me your feedback on all that I

782
00:31:52,940 --> 00:31:50,309
mean if he's got a great with somebody

783
00:31:55,639 --> 00:31:52,950
let him name a name instead of paint the

784
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:55,649
entire community with this brush that's

785
00:32:00,230 --> 00:31:58,320
interesting so I guess I would what be

786
00:32:02,330 --> 00:32:00,240
curious to know like what sort of

787
00:32:04,850 --> 00:32:02,340
comment has he made in particular that

788
00:32:07,010 --> 00:32:04,860
make that that you feel is unfair well I

789
00:32:09,169 --> 00:32:07,020
just in general that the UFO community

790
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:09,179
continues to huge itself in the foot

791
00:32:14,090 --> 00:32:12,330
that it's a very negative he's made the

792
00:32:16,730 --> 00:32:14,100
comments on a pretty regular basis

793
00:32:18,109 --> 00:32:16,740
especially you that yeah III he's past

794
00:32:20,179 --> 00:32:18,119
my bedtime you have to undo

795
00:32:22,639 --> 00:32:20,189
dan but I've heard enough of it and he

796
00:32:24,169 --> 00:32:22,649
does it on kind of a regular basis it's

797
00:32:26,659 --> 00:32:24,179
sort of this old guard

798
00:32:29,059 --> 00:32:26,669
that's very negative towards TTS a and

799
00:32:30,469 --> 00:32:29,069
to be honest with you yeah there's a few

800
00:32:32,689 --> 00:32:30,479
here and there there's no question about

801
00:32:34,879 --> 00:32:32,699
it you met it mentioned Greenawalt who's

802
00:32:37,219 --> 00:32:34,889
a critic and there are some others I I

803
00:32:41,209 --> 00:32:37,229
know that there's some hostility towards

804
00:32:42,859 --> 00:32:41,219
Steven Greer in those circles but you

805
00:32:44,599 --> 00:32:42,869
know beyond that I mean that's a few

806
00:32:46,779 --> 00:32:44,609
guys that's not the entire field you

807
00:32:49,459 --> 00:32:46,789
know if he's got a great name a name

808
00:32:54,049 --> 00:32:49,469
yeah I don't know you know and it could

809
00:32:57,379 --> 00:32:54,059
be that I am maybe a little jaded over

810
00:33:00,709 --> 00:32:57,389
time as well but I think he's he's right

811
00:33:03,319 --> 00:33:00,719
in that we see you know we don't

812
00:33:05,269 --> 00:33:03,329
interact as much with everybody out

813
00:33:06,919 --> 00:33:05,279
there for instance I don't know and this

814
00:33:08,779 --> 00:33:06,929
is getting into you know I

815
00:33:13,479 --> 00:33:08,789
whenever you're a public figure you're

816
00:33:17,719 --> 00:33:13,489
attacked by a lot of people particulars

817
00:33:20,449 --> 00:33:17,729
that he covers that that have that

818
00:33:23,929 --> 00:33:20,459
happened and for him I think prominent

819
00:33:27,619 --> 00:33:23,939
in his mind are are two things are at t

820
00:33:31,789 --> 00:33:27,629
TSA but also Bigelow I mean here's a guy

821
00:33:34,879 --> 00:33:31,799
who's got billions of dollars who is as

822
00:33:36,649 --> 00:33:34,889
a passion for UFOs and decides he wants

823
00:33:39,649 --> 00:33:36,659
to start spending his money in it and

824
00:33:41,689 --> 00:33:39,659
what happened since the get-go the UFO

825
00:33:43,609 --> 00:33:41,699
community not all of them but a large

826
00:33:45,949 --> 00:33:43,619
percentage and I would say over half

827
00:33:48,559 --> 00:33:45,959
just bash the guy like crazy they just

828
00:33:51,319 --> 00:33:48,569
love to hate him and this became an

829
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:51,329
issue for him over the years in fact he

830
00:33:56,509 --> 00:33:53,279
decided he didn't want to interact with

831
00:33:58,609 --> 00:33:56,519
the community so much over it and so

832
00:34:00,679 --> 00:33:58,619
that happens which is a fudge grading

833
00:34:02,299 --> 00:34:00,689
system a situation for George who is a

834
00:34:04,279 --> 00:34:02,309
friend of his and you know what's

835
00:34:06,349 --> 00:34:04,289
following all of his work and then we

836
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:06,359
see this kind of repeated with Lou

837
00:34:11,869 --> 00:34:09,450
Elizondo and Tom DeLonge Tom DeLonge say

838
00:34:13,869 --> 00:34:11,879
young guy he's a character I could see I

839
00:34:17,059 --> 00:34:13,879
guess maybe why people would be a little

840
00:34:19,309 --> 00:34:17,069
frustrated with him but someone like

841
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:19,319
Elizondo who's the same type of thing

842
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:20,879
and you know I don't think people

843
00:34:23,930 --> 00:34:22,649
realize and this is something George

844
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:23,940
would know and it's something I know

845
00:34:29,989 --> 00:34:26,639
people don't realize these people get

846
00:34:32,300 --> 00:34:29,999
really hurt over this stuff I'm sure you

847
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:32,310
all do I do sometimes

848
00:34:37,950 --> 00:34:35,290
could be could be could be you get a

849
00:34:39,450 --> 00:34:37,960
little upset but yeah but you're upset

850
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:39,460
with somebody you take it up with them

851
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:41,170
you don't broad-brush the entire

852
00:34:45,660 --> 00:34:43,210
community well know what I'm saying

853
00:34:47,460 --> 00:34:45,670
nailed fight tons of people there isn't

854
00:34:50,460 --> 00:34:47,470
really one named you you have whole

855
00:34:53,100 --> 00:34:50,470
groups of people I would say you brought

856
00:34:56,220 --> 00:34:53,110
up Greenwald yeah he's got a whole army

857
00:34:58,680 --> 00:34:56,230
of people you know behind him that are

858
00:35:00,660 --> 00:34:58,690
kind of spewing some pretty negative

859
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:00,670
stuff out there so sure sure and now

860
00:35:06,210 --> 00:35:03,760
there was there was Greer I know there

861
00:35:08,340 --> 00:35:06,220
been some other critics as well that's a

862
00:35:10,860 --> 00:35:08,350
good point there's Greer and his other

863
00:35:13,020 --> 00:35:10,870
concern is this misreporting you know

864
00:35:14,940 --> 00:35:13,030
what I've been surprised is every time I

865
00:35:17,550 --> 00:35:14,950
contact someone like Lesley Kane or

866
00:35:20,010 --> 00:35:17,560
others and I ask is anybody asks you

867
00:35:22,410 --> 00:35:20,020
about this and they say no nobody is

868
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:22,420
contacting these these sources and

869
00:35:26,820 --> 00:35:24,490
getting the correct information instead

870
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:26,830
they're going half-cock with all of this

871
00:35:31,140 --> 00:35:29,170
wild stuff and some of these people are

872
00:35:33,300 --> 00:35:31,150
my friends and they're out there doing

873
00:35:35,370 --> 00:35:33,310
lectures and everything and saying oh

874
00:35:36,900 --> 00:35:35,380
this is a big conspiracy this has been

875
00:35:39,450 --> 00:35:36,910
planned for so many years this is

876
00:35:42,690 --> 00:35:39,460
disclosure and you know it's these

877
00:35:45,270 --> 00:35:42,700
puppet masters who are who are behind

878
00:35:47,340 --> 00:35:45,280
Lou doing this or Bigelow doing that or

879
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:47,350
Erik Davis doing this or George Knapp

880
00:35:52,740 --> 00:35:50,170
doing that and and those things are just

881
00:35:55,110 --> 00:35:52,750
assumptions that are not true and it's

882
00:35:57,930 --> 00:35:55,120
very unprofessional behavior it's a sort

883
00:36:00,210 --> 00:35:57,940
of behavior that gets the UFO field in

884
00:36:02,610 --> 00:36:00,220
trouble by making these unsubstantiated

885
00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:02,620
claims and that's also the sort of thing

886
00:36:06,540 --> 00:36:04,240
he's referring to because there are very

887
00:36:08,610 --> 00:36:06,550
few who are just reporting the facts out

888
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:08,620
there now you brought up a very

889
00:36:12,810 --> 00:36:10,210
interesting name right there and that

890
00:36:15,630 --> 00:36:12,820
was Leslie Kane you interviewed her in

891
00:36:17,850 --> 00:36:15,640
the immediate aftermath of the New York

892
00:36:19,950 --> 00:36:17,860
Times story I listened to it you asked

893
00:36:21,900 --> 00:36:19,960
you know at the right question how often

894
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:21,910
is this happening because that was a key

895
00:36:26,180 --> 00:36:24,370
point this seems to be increasing in

896
00:36:28,860 --> 00:36:26,190
frequency and that was part of the

897
00:36:31,710 --> 00:36:28,870
catalyst for getting all this going and

898
00:36:34,650 --> 00:36:31,720
you asked her what was the frequency and

899
00:36:38,700 --> 00:36:34,660
said oh I don't know maybe 10 or 12 do

900
00:36:40,740 --> 00:36:38,710
you remember that I do a bit okay okay

901
00:36:43,650 --> 00:36:40,750
it's really stuck in my head because it

902
00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:43,660
seems to me and I think I've never asked

903
00:36:47,250 --> 00:36:45,250
specifically but I assume we're all on

904
00:36:49,860 --> 00:36:47,260
same page here we think that some of

905
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:49,870
these UFOs are some form of et would you

906
00:36:54,750 --> 00:36:53,050
go would you agree with that I would say

907
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:54,760
I would I would think that that's a

908
00:37:01,080 --> 00:36:55,570
possibility

909
00:37:04,170 --> 00:37:01,090
fair enough that the the key quit and we

910
00:37:06,180 --> 00:37:04,180
know there are literally thousands UFO

911
00:37:08,430 --> 00:37:06,190
reports not all of them are even

912
00:37:10,260 --> 00:37:08,440
possibly et most of them get explained

913
00:37:14,670 --> 00:37:10,270
we know all that we know the number that

914
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:14,680
gets thrown around out there but and

915
00:37:18,450 --> 00:37:16,450
also I want to follow up and we're gonna

916
00:37:19,890 --> 00:37:18,460
get to the SCU conference and you're

917
00:37:21,780 --> 00:37:19,900
part of that too we're gonna ask about

918
00:37:24,210 --> 00:37:21,790
that organization but that question

919
00:37:27,780 --> 00:37:24,220
again the the best question asked of Lou

920
00:37:31,230 --> 00:37:27,790
Elizondo he said he didn't know you have

921
00:37:33,690 --> 00:37:31,240
any idea how we're gonna at least try to

922
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:33,700
come up with some kind of broad estimate

923
00:37:37,110 --> 00:37:35,290
we'll never know we'll never have a hard

924
00:37:39,620 --> 00:37:37,120
number I can understand that what are we

925
00:37:43,500 --> 00:37:39,630
gonna get some kind of an estimate as to

926
00:37:48,750 --> 00:37:43,510
what number of cases are at least

927
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:48,760
possibly et that's a key question it's a

928
00:37:52,710 --> 00:37:50,170
tough one the answer I understand but we

929
00:37:54,450 --> 00:37:52,720
got it yes try it seems to me well in

930
00:37:56,010 --> 00:37:54,460
when they're investigating whether it be

931
00:37:59,370 --> 00:37:56,020
blue book or MUFON or any other

932
00:38:01,440 --> 00:37:59,380
organization for the most part as far as

933
00:38:03,210 --> 00:38:01,450
you can go is that it's an unknown we

934
00:38:05,010 --> 00:38:03,220
just don't know what it is which is

935
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:05,020
saying a lot especially if it's coming

936
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:07,810
if you're talking about the Navy or a

937
00:38:13,020 --> 00:38:10,810
case like nimitz where you know Elizondo

938
00:38:16,260 --> 00:38:13,030
feels that there was an aircraft that

939
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:16,270
was exhibiting propulsion system that we

940
00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:18,330
are not familiar with and was able to

941
00:38:25,620 --> 00:38:22,240
achieve you know the sort of performance

942
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:25,630
that we that's very very very far beyond

943
00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:28,000
our capabilities witness the witness

944
00:38:33,420 --> 00:38:30,250
stand backed up by radar data physical

945
00:38:34,500 --> 00:38:33,430
evidence by radar data you know others

946
00:38:37,170 --> 00:38:34,510
have talked about there is very

947
00:38:39,390 --> 00:38:37,180
sophisticated radar in the area so

948
00:38:41,850 --> 00:38:39,400
that's about as far as we can go we

949
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:41,860
don't know what it is it would be really

950
00:38:45,750 --> 00:38:43,330
difficult you'd have to get a chunk of

951
00:38:48,110 --> 00:38:45,760
it there's a you know it'd be difficult

952
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:48,120
to prove that it is extraterrestrial

953
00:38:54,060 --> 00:38:52,090
necessarily so that's the hard part so

954
00:38:57,540 --> 00:38:54,070
we're gonna get what are the true

955
00:38:58,890 --> 00:38:57,550
unknowns and that that'll be the

956
00:39:00,720 --> 00:38:58,900
interesting part

957
00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:00,730
it'll take a long time to figure out if

958
00:39:06,420 --> 00:39:03,760
ever you know what are these unknowns I

959
00:39:09,330 --> 00:39:06,430
think that there's also the perspective

960
00:39:11,100 --> 00:39:09,340
of the military Lou talks to this but

961
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:11,110
Nick Pope has talked to this quite a bit

962
00:39:16,260 --> 00:39:13,690
too is that Nick Pope you know kind of

963
00:39:18,390 --> 00:39:16,270
says in the military we didn't care who

964
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:18,400
was behind the real what we cared about

965
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:21,370
was is this a threat in how do we

966
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:23,770
harness that technology and those were

967
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:26,170
the main things from a defense

968
00:39:31,350 --> 00:39:28,810
perspective that the military's thinking

969
00:39:35,220 --> 00:39:31,360
of well that's almost a tacit admission

970
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:35,230
that they believe that these ret because

971
00:39:38,790 --> 00:39:37,090
it's not any technology that's available

972
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:38,800
on earth if they're looking to harness

973
00:39:42,420 --> 00:39:40,930
it well they're not harnessing it from

974
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:42,430
China they're not harnessing it from

975
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:45,850
Russia we don't have it coming something

976
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:47,610
from the future it could be something

977
00:39:52,020 --> 00:39:50,290
multi-dimensional something that we

978
00:39:53,460 --> 00:39:52,030
don't even have an answer for and what I

979
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:53,470
find interesting is talking with

980
00:39:57,270 --> 00:39:55,090
scientists scientists are very

981
00:39:58,590 --> 00:39:57,280
uncomfortable with the idea of eat he

982
00:40:00,990 --> 00:39:58,600
and I think it's mostly because of the

983
00:40:03,810 --> 00:40:01,000
giggle factor but scientists are more

984
00:40:06,090 --> 00:40:03,820
actually prone to be comfortable with

985
00:40:08,550 --> 00:40:06,100
the multi-dimensional idea just because

986
00:40:11,190 --> 00:40:08,560
multiple dimensions are such a big thing

987
00:40:13,230 --> 00:40:11,200
in science these days and there's so

988
00:40:15,300 --> 00:40:13,240
many mainstream scientists that are

989
00:40:17,580 --> 00:40:15,310
getting big names for being able to show

990
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:17,590
mathematically that other dimensions

991
00:40:23,820 --> 00:40:20,650
most likely exist so that's kind of a

992
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:23,830
darling theory actually I'm seeing in

993
00:40:29,700 --> 00:40:25,810
the science community for this this

994
00:40:31,110 --> 00:40:29,710
stuff yeah Alejandra I wanted to bring

995
00:40:32,970 --> 00:40:31,120
to your attention is something that you

996
00:40:35,940 --> 00:40:32,980
said that was absolutely correct and

997
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:35,950
that is in the UFO community and I'm not

998
00:40:39,060 --> 00:40:37,210
gonna mention names has nothing to do

999
00:40:41,700 --> 00:40:39,070
with that but just in general it's

1000
00:40:43,860 --> 00:40:41,710
really important like you said regarding

1001
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:43,870
you know the best and worst kind of

1002
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:46,090
journalism the best kind of journalism

1003
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:48,610
is just good old-fashioned journalism

1004
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:50,890
where people actually do public

1005
00:40:55,470 --> 00:40:53,170
reporting of whatever topic it is that

1006
00:40:57,300 --> 00:40:55,480
they're covering they highlight what

1007
00:41:00,060 --> 00:40:57,310
appears to be facts they check their

1008
00:41:02,010 --> 00:41:00,070
sources very simple you know maybe do

1009
00:41:06,150 --> 00:41:02,020
some edit changes to their article or

1010
00:41:08,750 --> 00:41:06,160
whatever normal stuff but when they're

1011
00:41:11,130 --> 00:41:08,760
not following those normal guidelines

1012
00:41:12,930 --> 00:41:11,140
they can be denounced very quickly

1013
00:41:16,410 --> 00:41:12,940
meaning the individual

1014
00:41:18,569 --> 00:41:16,420
that is spreading disinformation it

1015
00:41:21,150 --> 00:41:18,579
turns from news to disinformation very

1016
00:41:23,250 --> 00:41:21,160
quickly because when journalists are

1017
00:41:24,329 --> 00:41:23,260
people that fill their journalists or

1018
00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:24,339
whatever it is they call themselves

1019
00:41:30,510 --> 00:41:27,609
writers or researchers or investigators

1020
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:30,520
of whatever the critique of their

1021
00:41:38,490 --> 00:41:34,210
articles are or pseudo articles it can

1022
00:41:40,770 --> 00:41:38,500
be a nightmare for them and also a

1023
00:41:42,810 --> 00:41:40,780
nightmare for the people when they

1024
00:41:44,579 --> 00:41:42,820
publish something online when there's a

1025
00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:44,589
range of errors in it so I'm really glad

1026
00:41:49,290 --> 00:41:46,000
you brought that up thank you very much

1027
00:41:54,390 --> 00:41:49,300
for having touched upon that wanted to

1028
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:54,400
go on to the next topic and that is by

1029
00:41:57,599 --> 00:41:55,810
the way I did want to mention something

1030
00:42:00,420 --> 00:41:57,609
of because I didn't get a chance to

1031
00:42:02,670 --> 00:42:00,430
backtrack and and say this so let me

1032
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:02,680
just bring up something else here and

1033
00:42:07,500 --> 00:42:05,200
that is you're going to have an

1034
00:42:09,420 --> 00:42:07,510
interview this weekend you already had

1035
00:42:11,370 --> 00:42:09,430
an interview last year with Lou Elizondo

1036
00:42:14,069 --> 00:42:11,380
but you're going to have a interview

1037
00:42:16,609 --> 00:42:14,079
this weekend with Louie Lozano Elizondo

1038
00:42:20,250 --> 00:42:16,619
by Skype on open minds radio podcast

1039
00:42:22,319 --> 00:42:20,260
everybody please go to that I I can't

1040
00:42:25,620 --> 00:42:22,329
imagine anybody not listening to that

1041
00:42:28,410 --> 00:42:25,630
it's on open minds TV it'll be an audio

1042
00:42:30,630 --> 00:42:28,420
interview that is going to be a really

1043
00:42:32,819 --> 00:42:30,640
important interview for everybody to

1044
00:42:35,069 --> 00:42:32,829
listen to you may have covered it a

1045
00:42:36,630 --> 00:42:35,079
little bit but alejandro do you mind

1046
00:42:39,359 --> 00:42:36,640
just mentioning a little bit about that

1047
00:42:42,089 --> 00:42:39,369
so we can emphasize that our listeners

1048
00:42:43,829 --> 00:42:42,099
how important that interview is yeah I

1049
00:42:46,620 --> 00:42:43,839
think right now it's really important we

1050
00:42:48,900 --> 00:42:46,630
haven't heard from Lou for a while in an

1051
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:48,910
interview the last time actually we

1052
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:51,210
heard from him was in Alabama with the

1053
00:42:57,750 --> 00:42:53,650
scientific coalition for now it's called

1054
00:43:00,630 --> 00:42:57,760
UAP research but so luckily we heard

1055
00:43:02,099 --> 00:43:00,640
from him there but otherwise it's been a

1056
00:43:03,450 --> 00:43:02,109
while because they've kind of been on

1057
00:43:04,740 --> 00:43:03,460
this hiatus they're on this whole

1058
00:43:07,260 --> 00:43:04,750
they've been shooting the History

1059
00:43:10,980 --> 00:43:07,270
Channel show and and the promotion

1060
00:43:13,349 --> 00:43:10,990
hasn't started up for that so and with

1061
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:13,359
all of this other news that's come you

1062
00:43:16,620 --> 00:43:14,530
know I think it's going to be really

1063
00:43:18,599 --> 00:43:16,630
important and now Luke does like to

1064
00:43:20,730 --> 00:43:18,609
share information I think today that

1065
00:43:22,589 --> 00:43:20,740
piece of information I got was an

1066
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:22,599
example you know he is really excited to

1067
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:24,400
say hey I know that Washington Post

1068
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:25,930
story came out but it's not the full

1069
00:43:28,890 --> 00:43:26,650
story

1070
00:43:30,510 --> 00:43:28,900
people you know don't freak out there's

1071
00:43:34,110 --> 00:43:30,520
going to be some public disclosure when

1072
00:43:37,830 --> 00:43:34,120
it comes to this Navy UFO reporting so

1073
00:43:40,020 --> 00:43:37,840
I'm clarifying that speaking to the DD

1074
00:43:41,670 --> 00:43:40,030
1910 you know there were people that

1075
00:43:43,140 --> 00:43:41,680
were questioning hey there's no

1076
00:43:45,300 --> 00:43:43,150
signature on this line where there's

1077
00:43:46,530 --> 00:43:45,310
normally a signature and George Knapp

1078
00:43:48,450 --> 00:43:46,540
right out well that's because there's a

1079
00:43:51,090 --> 00:43:48,460
stamp and the stamps serve the purpose

1080
00:43:53,220 --> 00:43:51,100
at the signature would some people are

1081
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:53,230
satisfied with that some aren't but we

1082
00:43:58,440 --> 00:43:55,570
can ask you know Lou about some of those

1083
00:44:01,050 --> 00:43:58,450
things but we'll get more information

1084
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:01,060
about what's in the show you know how

1085
00:44:04,980 --> 00:44:02,890
much of an influence to the star has had

1086
00:44:07,410 --> 00:44:04,990
on this whole Navy thing you know how

1087
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:07,420
much do they really know about what's

1088
00:44:11,850 --> 00:44:09,850
going on in do they have it what is

1089
00:44:15,390 --> 00:44:11,860
their involvement and I think that what

1090
00:44:18,420 --> 00:44:15,400
people need to really listen for in this

1091
00:44:21,060 --> 00:44:18,430
interview is we have evidence you know

1092
00:44:22,950 --> 00:44:21,070
not only through the briefings but also

1093
00:44:24,930 --> 00:44:22,960
through this Navy news and some of what

1094
00:44:27,210 --> 00:44:24,940
they've told us recently Chris Mullin

1095
00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:27,220
and others that they are really plugged

1096
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:30,730
in with the legislature with military

1097
00:44:36,150 --> 00:44:33,370
leadership so they're very plugged in

1098
00:44:39,030 --> 00:44:36,160
when it comes to this topic and that

1099
00:44:41,550 --> 00:44:39,040
makes them kind of leaders on this topic

1100
00:44:44,370 --> 00:44:41,560
when it comes to to those arenas so that

1101
00:44:46,740 --> 00:44:44,380
makes what these guys have to say really

1102
00:44:49,590 --> 00:44:46,750
important because then we get more

1103
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:49,600
insight into how much influence they're

1104
00:44:54,990 --> 00:44:52,570
having and what sort of future we can be

1105
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:55,000
looking forward to even when it comes to

1106
00:44:58,800 --> 00:44:56,650
the government and this topic I mean as

1107
00:44:59,610 --> 00:44:58,810
the Air Force gonna start some

1108
00:45:02,340 --> 00:44:59,620
guidelines

1109
00:45:05,010 --> 00:45:02,350
who else is interested in who else is is

1110
00:45:07,070 --> 00:45:05,020
asking for information I think all of

1111
00:45:10,290 --> 00:45:07,080
this is going to be really interesting

1112
00:45:12,030 --> 00:45:10,300
okay yeah Alejandro thank you for

1113
00:45:14,070 --> 00:45:12,040
bringing that up I really appreciate it

1114
00:45:16,590 --> 00:45:14,080
we want to talk about your important

1115
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:16,600
work with the SCU that is a scientific

1116
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:19,090
coalition for you a faulty I'll be sure

1117
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:20,890
to include that link in the chat room

1118
00:45:25,970 --> 00:45:22,690
and also mention it after you finish

1119
00:45:28,710 --> 00:45:25,980
talking you are on the board and with

1120
00:45:30,930 --> 00:45:28,720
respect of public relations isn't that

1121
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:30,940
correct and also could you please just

1122
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:33,010
to let us know a little bit about your

1123
00:45:40,650 --> 00:45:39,850
time with SEO right so the SCU is de

1124
00:45:43,770 --> 00:45:40,660
scientifically

1125
00:45:47,339 --> 00:45:43,780
for UAP studies you know unidentified

1126
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:47,349
aerial phenomena and the whole point is

1127
00:45:54,329 --> 00:45:50,130
to kind of do science and interface with

1128
00:45:55,470 --> 00:45:54,339
scientists regarding this topic and I

1129
00:45:57,390 --> 00:45:55,480
think that's really important I've

1130
00:46:00,180 --> 00:45:57,400
always said in my interest in this arena

1131
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:00,190
has always been that there's space for a

1132
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:03,130
UFOs of SETI you know some of you will

1133
00:46:08,250 --> 00:46:06,010
remember back in the 90s or so SETI was

1134
00:46:10,020 --> 00:46:08,260
not a mainstream thing they were made

1135
00:46:12,569 --> 00:46:10,030
fun of too just like the UFO people

1136
00:46:15,059 --> 00:46:12,579
literally they were right with us oh the

1137
00:46:16,950 --> 00:46:15,069
people looking for aliens and they've

1138
00:46:20,130 --> 00:46:16,960
done a great job where they've turned

1139
00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:20,140
things around we're now SETI the search

1140
00:46:24,329 --> 00:46:22,000
for extraterrestrial intelligence which

1141
00:46:28,079 --> 00:46:24,339
is an institute but also a kind of a

1142
00:46:30,029 --> 00:46:28,089
topic is the main thing I mean NASA is

1143
00:46:33,390 --> 00:46:30,039
admitting that you know we're a lien

1144
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:33,400
hunters that and whatever city does

1145
00:46:38,029 --> 00:46:35,770
makes news and their alien hunting

1146
00:46:40,559 --> 00:46:38,039
they're looking for intelligent

1147
00:46:43,020 --> 00:46:40,569
extraterrestrial civilizations that are

1148
00:46:44,549 --> 00:46:43,030
out there so if they could do it you

1149
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:44,559
know there needs to be an organization

1150
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:47,890
on the UFO and to do that because it's

1151
00:46:52,260 --> 00:46:49,210
doable

1152
00:46:54,089 --> 00:46:52,270
MUFON was what a lot of us hoped that

1153
00:46:55,500 --> 00:46:54,099
would be and I used to be the PR guy for

1154
00:46:58,170 --> 00:46:55,510
a MUFON and back in those days that's

1155
00:47:00,930 --> 00:46:58,180
where we were moving towards but it came

1156
00:47:03,240 --> 00:47:00,940
a bit more populous where and and it was

1157
00:47:04,559 --> 00:47:03,250
difficult because back then when I was

1158
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:04,569
doing this and we were more science

1159
00:47:07,319 --> 00:47:05,890
oriented we would always get why don't

1160
00:47:08,549 --> 00:47:07,329
you do this why don't you do that and

1161
00:47:10,859 --> 00:47:08,559
why don't you do that and I would have

1162
00:47:12,420 --> 00:47:10,869
to say we need to focus on what we do

1163
00:47:15,240 --> 00:47:12,430
best there's some plenty of other people

1164
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:15,250
that focus on the other things but MUFON

1165
00:47:19,950 --> 00:47:17,650
now has kind of taken more of a broader

1166
00:47:21,569 --> 00:47:19,960
idea of things they're covering more

1167
00:47:24,420 --> 00:47:21,579
topics and they're not focused

1168
00:47:26,130 --> 00:47:24,430
necessarily strictly on science so some

1169
00:47:28,980 --> 00:47:26,140
of the people who were science oriented

1170
00:47:31,890 --> 00:47:28,990
have left MUFON and created this SCU and

1171
00:47:35,460 --> 00:47:31,900
I've been working with them and they've

1172
00:47:38,519 --> 00:47:35,470
been great at not only focusing on

1173
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:38,529
science making a place where papers can

1174
00:47:42,089 --> 00:47:40,210
be submitted research papers and they

1175
00:47:44,010 --> 00:47:42,099
could be peer-reviewed and then they've

1176
00:47:46,470 --> 00:47:44,020
also done a great job in reaching out

1177
00:47:48,690 --> 00:47:46,480
globally to scientists who are

1178
00:47:50,549 --> 00:47:48,700
interested in this topic they've got a

1179
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:50,559
great membership

1180
00:47:54,540 --> 00:47:53,770
we've got great partnerships and now you

1181
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:54,550
know us

1182
00:47:58,140 --> 00:47:56,530
slowly because it takes time we've got

1183
00:48:01,140 --> 00:47:58,150
some research papers coming out this

1184
00:48:04,650 --> 00:48:01,150
group first got together researching the

1185
00:48:08,130 --> 00:48:04,660
Aguadilla case from what 2009 I think

1186
00:48:10,170 --> 00:48:08,140
that was and they put out the paper on

1187
00:48:13,230 --> 00:48:10,180
that the the latest paper they've done

1188
00:48:15,210 --> 00:48:13,240
is a Nimitz encounter research paper

1189
00:48:17,550 --> 00:48:15,220
which is the only you know scientific

1190
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:17,560
analysis we have on the Nimitz case

1191
00:48:22,500 --> 00:48:20,050
because we don't know what a tip did we

1192
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:22,510
don't have those papers so we've got

1193
00:48:28,380 --> 00:48:25,210
some amazing information regarding the

1194
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:28,390
scientific analysis of the maneuvers

1195
00:48:35,460 --> 00:48:33,610
that these things had that done so I'm

1196
00:48:37,380 --> 00:48:35,470
really excited about the group and

1197
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:37,390
moving forward I'm an adviser of the

1198
00:48:42,380 --> 00:48:40,570
board right now for media so I kind of

1199
00:48:44,550 --> 00:48:42,390
helped them with media outreach and

1200
00:48:47,850 --> 00:48:44,560
because I think that's an important part

1201
00:48:50,220 --> 00:48:47,860
what said he did was twofold

1202
00:48:52,380 --> 00:48:50,230
they studied the science they got

1203
00:48:54,300 --> 00:48:52,390
involvement from scientists so they

1204
00:48:58,290 --> 00:48:54,310
embedded themselves in the science

1205
00:49:00,120 --> 00:48:58,300
community but they also pretty much it

1206
00:49:03,210 --> 00:49:00,130
seems like these days especially they

1207
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:03,220
don't say no to any PR opportunity so

1208
00:49:08,940 --> 00:49:05,410
they're out there talking with people

1209
00:49:10,890 --> 00:49:08,950
sharing information session even though

1210
00:49:13,950 --> 00:49:10,900
he's a UFO skeptic and he frustrates

1211
00:49:16,110 --> 00:49:13,960
people he's an excellent speaker I mean

1212
00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:16,120
he convinces people look guys there are

1213
00:49:21,330 --> 00:49:18,730
aliens out there and he's humorous and

1214
00:49:23,970 --> 00:49:21,340
witty when he does it I think that

1215
00:49:26,310 --> 00:49:23,980
that's a great model for for us to move

1216
00:49:28,050 --> 00:49:26,320
towards and and it shows us we can't get

1217
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:28,060
there we can't make this you know a

1218
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:30,400
topic that has taken more seriously and

1219
00:49:34,650 --> 00:49:32,800
I think that's happening yeah I'm glad

1220
00:49:36,270 --> 00:49:34,660
you brought up all that Alejandra I

1221
00:49:39,030 --> 00:49:36,280
wanted to mention to you that we have

1222
00:49:40,380 --> 00:49:39,040
interviewed a rich Hoffman who's on the

1223
00:49:43,500 --> 00:49:40,390
board of seu I know you know him very

1224
00:49:46,590 --> 00:49:43,510
well and he covered a few things you

1225
00:49:49,170 --> 00:49:46,600
mentioned one thing about SCU is they're

1226
00:49:50,670 --> 00:49:49,180
very serious about their papers you

1227
00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:50,680
mentioned the Aguadilla Puerto Rico

1228
00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:51,760
report I believe is what you were

1229
00:49:57,810 --> 00:49:54,160
talking about that was just updated on

1230
00:49:59,280 --> 00:49:57,820
the 28th of August 2018 wanted to

1231
00:50:02,460 --> 00:49:59,290
mention everybody that report is

1232
00:50:03,930 --> 00:50:02,470
absolutely fascinating it's a little bit

1233
00:50:05,970 --> 00:50:03,940
a little blurb I want to read on it is

1234
00:50:08,430 --> 00:50:05,980
since the first release of the 2013 I'll

1235
00:50:11,910 --> 00:50:08,440
go jog wadiya Puerto Rico you a

1236
00:50:13,500 --> 00:50:11,920
report on August 10th 2015 there have

1237
00:50:15,630 --> 00:50:13,510
been various inputs from new sources

1238
00:50:17,460 --> 00:50:15,640
various blogs and social media sites

1239
00:50:20,099 --> 00:50:17,470
related to the content at the video and

1240
00:50:21,510 --> 00:50:20,109
our report the only review that we have

1241
00:50:24,660 --> 00:50:21,520
received to date is from the French

1242
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:24,670
aeronautical group sigma3 AF and that

1243
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:26,650
was only an initial review of the report

1244
00:50:30,420 --> 00:50:28,930
they have indicated that a few full

1245
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:30,430
review of the report should be available

1246
00:50:34,500 --> 00:50:32,530
in December on their website we will

1247
00:50:36,690 --> 00:50:34,510
place a link to their site once such a

1248
00:50:39,900 --> 00:50:36,700
review is completed if people go to

1249
00:50:44,790 --> 00:50:39,910
these kinds of reports that SCU has

1250
00:50:47,220 --> 00:50:44,800
these reports are massive I mean and

1251
00:50:50,359 --> 00:50:47,230
they are almost at forensic level

1252
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:50,369
regarding how definitive they are and

1253
00:50:55,290 --> 00:50:53,170
really something to be proud of we went

1254
00:50:58,680 --> 00:50:55,300
over these reports in great detail with

1255
00:51:00,660 --> 00:50:58,690
rich Hofmann and her last spring Megacon

1256
00:51:03,150 --> 00:51:00,670
panel where we talked about current

1257
00:51:05,010 --> 00:51:03,160
events and I just I'm going to go and

1258
00:51:09,329 --> 00:51:05,020
drop the link in the chat room in just a

1259
00:51:14,849 --> 00:51:09,339
moment you would go to explore s-see you

1260
00:51:17,700 --> 00:51:14,859
org so that's explorer s see you org and

1261
00:51:20,579 --> 00:51:17,710
then I recommend going to hit slash and

1262
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:20,589
then papers and you will find any manner

1263
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:24,960
of paperwork there documents and videos

1264
00:51:29,309 --> 00:51:27,010
scientific findings regarding a major

1265
00:51:31,470 --> 00:51:29,319
u.s. Navy encounter with one starts off

1266
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:31,480
with another one is science-based UFO

1267
00:51:35,309 --> 00:51:33,010
research organization makes public

1268
00:51:37,710 --> 00:51:35,319
statements estimates of optical power

1269
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:37,720
output at six cases of an unexplained it

1270
00:51:43,410 --> 00:51:41,890
goes on making UFO you making UFOs make

1271
00:51:44,130 --> 00:51:43,420
sense you have followed you science and

1272
00:51:46,230 --> 00:51:44,140
so forth

1273
00:51:48,930 --> 00:51:46,240
Stephenville lights spherical

1274
00:51:51,420 --> 00:51:48,940
unidentified anomalous phenomena I could

1275
00:51:54,990 --> 00:51:51,430
go on and on this is a massive archive

1276
00:51:59,359 --> 00:51:55,000
of by se you regarding various papers

1277
00:52:02,099 --> 00:51:59,369
for various for fascinating reading

1278
00:52:06,780 --> 00:52:02,109
wanted to move on to the next topic here

1279
00:52:09,540 --> 00:52:06,790
and what is one thing real quickly just

1280
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:09,550
at that sigma3 AF that it bets a big

1281
00:52:13,349 --> 00:52:11,170
deal in France that is it our

1282
00:52:15,660 --> 00:52:13,359
astronomical and aeronautical

1283
00:52:19,260 --> 00:52:15,670
association so it's made up of engineers

1284
00:52:21,540 --> 00:52:19,270
and technicians so this is not a UFO

1285
00:52:22,740 --> 00:52:21,550
group out there this is a serious

1286
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:22,750
engineering

1287
00:52:27,240 --> 00:52:25,810
aerospace organization that it's taking

1288
00:52:28,980 --> 00:52:27,250
on and it's taking them a long time

1289
00:52:31,230 --> 00:52:28,990
because they're going page by page to

1290
00:52:32,460 --> 00:52:31,240
review and give feedback and so far

1291
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:32,470
they've been very impressed with the

1292
00:52:39,780 --> 00:52:36,970
report yes and by the way just want to

1293
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:39,790
wanted to tell you we love it when you

1294
00:52:43,890 --> 00:52:41,650
interrupt because we always love what

1295
00:52:46,500 --> 00:52:43,900
you have to say so please interrupt me

1296
00:52:54,390 --> 00:52:46,510
we're here for you so at any time I'm

1297
00:52:57,780 --> 00:52:54,400
talking you never say that the by all

1298
00:53:00,390 --> 00:52:57,790
means please do interrupt me this this

1299
00:53:02,430 --> 00:53:00,400
interviews all about you now I wanted to

1300
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:02,440
bring up something that Frank wanted to

1301
00:53:07,020 --> 00:53:04,570
talk about regarding researcher of the

1302
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:07,030
year Frank go ahead and take it yes now

1303
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:10,690
with the risk of hurting Dave's chances

1304
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:14,530
I want to say this I think Dave Beatty

1305
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:17,530
should be the UFO researcher of the year

1306
00:53:26,910 --> 00:53:19,330
and if he's not alejandro i will never

1307
00:53:28,530 --> 00:53:26,920
speak to you again I'm kidding Dave

1308
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:28,540
maybe of course you I'm sure you've had

1309
00:53:34,830 --> 00:53:32,290
him on the show his video of the Nimet

1310
00:53:37,350 --> 00:53:34,840
encounter is extraordinary the work he

1311
00:53:40,020 --> 00:53:37,360
put towards it the professionalism that

1312
00:53:41,670 --> 00:53:40,030
he put into it I mean this video we've

1313
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:41,680
never seen something like this before I

1314
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:43,330
think in the UFO community so I

1315
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:45,970
completely understand why you would say

1316
00:53:51,660 --> 00:53:49,090
that he's certainly deserving I'm not

1317
00:53:54,240 --> 00:53:51,670
the boss so it's not gonna be my final

1318
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:54,250
decision but the and it's always so hard

1319
00:53:59,310 --> 00:53:56,770
to decide but I could see why you would

1320
00:54:04,110 --> 00:53:59,320
say that and he certainly would be

1321
00:54:05,820 --> 00:54:04,120
worthy of it okay well Frank he wanted

1322
00:54:07,410 --> 00:54:05,830
to bring it up I thought perhaps he

1323
00:54:09,240 --> 00:54:07,420
would talk more about it didn't she want

1324
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:09,250
to rant a little bit about that topic

1325
00:54:14,010 --> 00:54:12,130
well not just the movie itself but it's

1326
00:54:15,930 --> 00:54:14,020
all the research that he's done and what

1327
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:15,940
he's done is kind of a created an

1328
00:54:20,910 --> 00:54:18,970
atmosphere outside tts a where witnesses

1329
00:54:23,490 --> 00:54:20,920
feel comfortable coming forward and

1330
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:23,500
speaking to him that's a really good

1331
00:54:27,990 --> 00:54:26,170
point he's I mean he's made a film and

1332
00:54:31,590 --> 00:54:28,000
he's done the research to back it up and

1333
00:54:33,630 --> 00:54:31,600
there's more on the way yeah no I agree

1334
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:33,640
he keeps getting more and more witnesses

1335
00:54:38,850 --> 00:54:36,130
out you know he is on top

1336
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:38,860
this Nimitz thing hardcore which is so

1337
00:54:44,340 --> 00:54:41,290
important because it's an absolutely

1338
00:54:47,490 --> 00:54:44,350
amazing case and according to Elizondo

1339
00:54:50,670 --> 00:54:47,500
even on this History Channel show there

1340
00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:50,680
are more even better cases that a tip

1341
00:54:57,690 --> 00:54:53,920
will be exploring on the show and that

1342
00:54:59,280 --> 00:54:57,700
the a tip looked into so I I guess we're

1343
00:55:01,980 --> 00:54:59,290
gonna have even better ones coming up so

1344
00:55:05,850 --> 00:55:01,990
Dave's gonna have to do quite a few more

1345
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:05,860
videos and [\h__\h] it didn't come up when

1346
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:07,810
we were talking yes about your

1347
00:55:12,570 --> 00:55:09,490
conversation with Paul D but you had

1348
00:55:15,390 --> 00:55:12,580
mentioned to me that there are some East

1349
00:55:17,430 --> 00:55:15,400
Coast pilots and more recent cases that

1350
00:55:23,670 --> 00:55:17,440
are chomping at the bit to come out and

1351
00:55:25,050 --> 00:55:23,680
speak yes you know it's funny thank you

1352
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:25,060
for talking about that Frank but you

1353
00:55:29,010 --> 00:55:26,770
will never believe who's talking to me

1354
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:29,020
now Paul Dean he's wanted to thank

1355
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:33,330
alejandro for having been so kind and

1356
00:55:38,690 --> 00:55:37,210
complimentary towards him and frank i'm

1357
00:55:42,230 --> 00:55:38,700
not meaning to cite this up your

1358
00:55:47,490 --> 00:55:42,240
question or your your comment here but

1359
00:55:49,140 --> 00:55:47,500
alejandro my personal the person i would

1360
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:49,150
like to volunteer as researcher of the

1361
00:55:53,190 --> 00:55:51,010
years Paul Dean that you know if he

1362
00:55:55,380 --> 00:55:53,200
needs to be recognized I say that not to

1363
00:55:57,270 --> 00:55:55,390
you but just in general to everybody and

1364
00:55:59,970 --> 00:55:57,280
you ethology this person works very

1365
00:56:02,490 --> 00:55:59,980
quietly he's probably one of the

1366
00:56:04,950 --> 00:56:02,500
quietest people I've ever met in UF

1367
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:04,960
ology and all he does literally day and

1368
00:56:10,110 --> 00:56:08,170
night is research the topic of UF ology

1369
00:56:14,250 --> 00:56:10,120
and brings us mountains of information

1370
00:56:15,810 --> 00:56:14,260
to pour over regarding a documents and

1371
00:56:18,420 --> 00:56:15,820
FOIA requests and the other individual

1372
00:56:20,580 --> 00:56:18,430
is a lovely person we just interviewed

1373
00:56:22,890 --> 00:56:20,590
him and that is Keith pastor field he's

1374
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:22,900
awesome I was gonna say that yeah Paul

1375
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:25,090
Dean has a buddy now in the field i

1376
00:56:31,020 --> 00:56:27,370
Keith pastor field who's also done some

1377
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:31,030
amazing work you know what and Keith I

1378
00:56:35,550 --> 00:56:33,610
only first talked with just recently and

1379
00:56:38,700 --> 00:56:35,560
little does he know you know I visit his

1380
00:56:41,790 --> 00:56:38,710
website often now he knows that I told

1381
00:56:43,890 --> 00:56:41,800
him but yeah Paul and Keith are

1382
00:56:46,140 --> 00:56:43,900
absolutely incredible I think what's

1383
00:56:48,090 --> 00:56:46,150
really amazing and polished certainly

1384
00:56:49,829 --> 00:56:48,100
you know he's not shy to share this

1385
00:56:51,959 --> 00:56:49,839
information he's not

1386
00:56:54,569 --> 00:56:51,969
when you get him on the phone but as far

1387
00:56:57,269 --> 00:56:54,579
as the internet wise he certainly is he

1388
00:57:00,959 --> 00:56:57,279
really cranks them out Keith yeah II

1389
00:57:03,089 --> 00:57:00,969
think really dr. Paul Dean gets in those

1390
00:57:05,429 --> 00:57:03,099
modes too and what's really interesting

1391
00:57:07,289 --> 00:57:05,439
is these guys Paul says this and I agree

1392
00:57:09,329 --> 00:57:07,299
with him that they're the best at this

1393
00:57:11,670 --> 00:57:09,339
there's nobody getting these documents

1394
00:57:13,769 --> 00:57:11,680
and getting to the root and you know

1395
00:57:16,499 --> 00:57:13,779
really digging like these guys are and

1396
00:57:18,059 --> 00:57:16,509
they they are you know Paul it's funny

1397
00:57:20,249 --> 00:57:18,069
cuz I say you know the best guy getting

1398
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:20,259
the the US documents is Paul Dean and he

1399
00:57:26,999 --> 00:57:22,930
doesn't even live in the US and it's

1400
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:27,009
true yeah extraordinary yeah we talked

1401
00:57:32,130 --> 00:57:29,410
him about it at length last year and he

1402
00:57:34,499 --> 00:57:32,140
he just developed a knack for it you

1403
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:34,509
know it's it's a weird kind of thing but

1404
00:57:39,449 --> 00:57:36,130
he's a very productive guy another guy

1405
00:57:42,839 --> 00:57:39,459
who's really productive is you and it's

1406
00:57:45,479 --> 00:57:42,849
like how do you manage everything that

1407
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:45,489
you do how do you do it yeah thank you

1408
00:57:49,529 --> 00:57:47,170
for saying that Frank that is so true

1409
00:57:52,289 --> 00:57:49,539
about Alejandro you know what thank you

1410
00:57:54,150 --> 00:57:52,299
for saying that and and I guess mostly

1411
00:57:56,870 --> 00:57:54,160
I'm data-driven so I'm driven by the

1412
00:57:59,880 --> 00:57:56,880
stories and the news and it is

1413
00:58:01,529 --> 00:57:59,890
especially hard right now just because

1414
00:58:03,630 --> 00:58:01,539
there's so much coming out so I want to

1415
00:58:05,759 --> 00:58:03,640
keep on top of stuff and you know my

1416
00:58:06,269 --> 00:58:05,769
passion is to share information that's

1417
00:58:09,179 --> 00:58:06,279
what I do

1418
00:58:11,309 --> 00:58:09,189
and so it's hard for me when you know

1419
00:58:12,989 --> 00:58:11,319
there's there's information that comes

1420
00:58:14,910 --> 00:58:12,999
out I know people don't have and I want

1421
00:58:17,489 --> 00:58:14,920
to get it to people as soon as possible

1422
00:58:19,979 --> 00:58:17,499
or maybe like today when questions arise

1423
00:58:21,539 --> 00:58:19,989
and I know I've got a contact you can

1424
00:58:23,549 --> 00:58:21,549
answer some of these questions so I want

1425
00:58:26,999 --> 00:58:23,559
to get that information out there to

1426
00:58:27,959 --> 00:58:27,009
help us keep moving forward and it does

1427
00:58:30,509 --> 00:58:27,969
get in the way of some of the other

1428
00:58:33,269 --> 00:58:30,519
things that I do right now I'm

1429
00:58:35,069 --> 00:58:33,279
prioritizing the whole UFO thing and I

1430
00:58:37,829 --> 00:58:35,079
hope that works out for me by the way

1431
00:58:40,589 --> 00:58:37,839
you know sorry to plug in and it's not

1432
00:58:42,870 --> 00:58:40,599
no big for money but if you go to my

1433
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:42,880
patreon site you know if people want to

1434
00:58:47,429 --> 00:58:44,650
help support me that that's a great way

1435
00:58:49,169 --> 00:58:47,439
to do it I do share exclusive stuff so

1436
00:58:50,459 --> 00:58:49,179
David Marley you guys if you haven't had

1437
00:58:52,769 --> 00:58:50,469
him on your show you got to have him

1438
00:58:54,900 --> 00:58:52,779
he's at work we're working it I was yeah

1439
00:58:58,109 --> 00:58:54,910
he's amazing the other day yeah yeah

1440
00:58:59,880 --> 00:58:58,119
we're doing a talk go ahead exactly yes

1441
00:59:01,799 --> 00:58:59,890
he was just in Phoenix so he's a good

1442
00:59:03,330 --> 00:59:01,809
buddy of mine and I recorded him ask him

1443
00:59:04,860 --> 00:59:03,340
what's his favorite try uncle Casey

1444
00:59:06,660 --> 00:59:04,870
he's known for doing he wrote a book

1445
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:06,670
about that and then asked him his

1446
00:59:10,890 --> 00:59:08,530
thoughts on this Navy stuff and so I

1447
00:59:12,780 --> 00:59:10,900
shared that as something special for my

1448
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:12,790
patreon and it's it's as low as like a

1449
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:14,650
dollar a month but that goes a long way

1450
00:59:21,210 --> 00:59:17,290
for helping me I keep me able to

1451
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:21,220
prioritize this stuff because I'm trying

1452
00:59:24,210 --> 00:59:23,170
to do that cuz I'd rather you know keep

1453
00:59:26,940 --> 00:59:24,220
doing this because there's so much

1454
00:59:28,350 --> 00:59:26,950
information to share and luckily I've

1455
00:59:30,570 --> 00:59:28,360
been in this long enough that I have

1456
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:30,580
some insight and perspective that others

1457
00:59:34,730 --> 00:59:32,890
don't so I think that I have a lot of

1458
00:59:36,900 --> 00:59:34,740
relevant information to share to people

1459
00:59:39,180 --> 00:59:36,910
yeah and I know the website you're

1460
00:59:42,450 --> 00:59:39,190
talking about you know I just want to

1461
00:59:44,970 --> 00:59:42,460
tell everybody please do pitch a dollar

1462
00:59:46,740 --> 00:59:44,980
manok just go to the website and give a

1463
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:46,750
little bit because you know it's not

1464
00:59:55,350 --> 00:59:48,610
like he's buying an island here

1465
00:59:57,090 --> 00:59:55,360
nobody's getting richer you know I'm

1466
00:59:58,830 --> 00:59:57,100
just saying hey donate money I'm saying

1467
01:00:01,260 --> 00:59:58,840
hey for a buck you're gonna get a lot of

1468
01:00:04,350 --> 01:00:01,270
great content that's what I was about to

1469
01:00:07,350 --> 01:00:04,360
say before we talk about the URL to the

1470
01:00:08,550 --> 01:00:07,360
website want to tell everybody that it

1471
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:08,560
is worth your time because you're

1472
01:00:11,580 --> 01:00:10,330
getting content that you would not

1473
01:00:14,490 --> 01:00:11,590
normally get anywhere else

1474
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:14,500
so it's exclusive stuff and with how

1475
01:00:18,740 --> 01:00:16,210
would you spell the name of that website

1476
01:00:24,180 --> 01:00:18,750
just so everybody knows which one it is

1477
01:00:26,070 --> 01:00:24,190
patreon is p80 re0 n comm and then you

1478
01:00:28,650 --> 01:00:26,080
can just look up Bala Hondo Rojas you'll

1479
01:00:31,860 --> 01:00:28,660
find me there but you can also go to my

1480
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:31,870
website which is Alejandro T Rojas comm

1481
01:00:37,590 --> 01:00:33,730
and you can find a link there so

1482
01:00:39,030 --> 01:00:37,600
Alejandro T Rojas comm right and I will

1483
01:00:41,010 --> 01:00:39,040
be sharing your website in the chatroom

1484
01:00:44,910 --> 01:00:41,020
in a moment and the patron so I'll do

1485
01:00:48,420 --> 01:00:44,920
that thanks and all the open minds web

1486
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:48,430
presences they're yours as well yeah so

1487
01:00:52,740 --> 01:00:50,530
essentially with open minds it's kind of

1488
01:00:54,570 --> 01:00:52,750
gone I mean we used to have a staff

1489
01:00:57,810 --> 01:00:54,580
where we were putting out videos and

1490
01:01:00,930 --> 01:00:57,820
everything but over time that's kind of

1491
01:01:02,910 --> 01:01:00,940
gone away so I'm maintaining it it's

1492
01:01:04,500 --> 01:01:02,920
almost like an archival site at this

1493
01:01:07,050 --> 01:01:04,510
time I mean I still do open minds UFO

1494
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:07,060
radio that I post there and I still post

1495
01:01:11,190 --> 01:01:09,490
you know summaries of what the stories I

1496
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:11,200
write elsewhere and then link to those

1497
01:01:15,210 --> 01:01:13,810
stories so open minds is still around

1498
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:15,220
and there's so much great information

1499
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:17,290
because we've had so many great

1500
01:01:23,550 --> 01:01:21,370
over the years so I maintain it still so

1501
01:01:25,410 --> 01:01:23,560
it still exists it's still a thing and

1502
01:01:26,460 --> 01:01:25,420
of course we have a big website and

1503
01:01:29,010 --> 01:01:26,470
everything so

1504
01:01:31,980 --> 01:01:29,020
so yeah it's still up there and running

1505
01:01:33,710 --> 01:01:31,990
but I also am you know it's something

1506
01:01:36,450 --> 01:01:33,720
I'm maintaining while I do other things

1507
01:01:38,580 --> 01:01:36,460
okay good yeah and I did also share

1508
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:38,590
those two links so I've kind of shared

1509
01:01:43,530 --> 01:01:40,690
them repeatedly anyway the Alejandro T

1510
01:01:49,010 --> 01:01:43,540
Rojas com now I just want to spell that

1511
01:01:53,070 --> 01:01:49,020
for people it's al e J a and D ro t ro

1512
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:53,080
Jas calm and looks like my friend

1513
01:01:57,780 --> 01:01:54,970
Rodrigo Kira's in here tonight okay I

1514
01:02:02,580 --> 01:01:57,790
wonder I wanted to let let our listeners

1515
01:02:04,710 --> 01:02:02,590
here are some questions that that I got

1516
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:04,720
over the past two days when everybody

1517
01:02:09,510 --> 01:02:07,330
heard I was interviewing Alejandro I got

1518
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:09,520
overwhelmed with a ton of questions so I

1519
01:02:14,460 --> 01:02:11,730
have a grocery list full of them and

1520
01:02:16,980 --> 01:02:14,470
wanted to start off with the first one

1521
01:02:18,870 --> 01:02:16,990
are you ready Alejandro I'm ready and I

1522
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:18,880
don't mind the tough one so someone's

1523
01:02:21,780 --> 01:02:20,410
being critical and they're like hey why

1524
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:21,790
did you say this or that bring it on

1525
01:02:27,450 --> 01:02:24,010
because I don't mind no I have the

1526
01:02:29,610 --> 01:02:27,460
toughest one right here okay okay just

1527
01:02:31,110 --> 01:02:29,620
one sec let me go ahead and stop this

1528
01:02:31,950 --> 01:02:31,120
beeping here sorry about that that was

1529
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:31,960
me

1530
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:34,090
Jeff Crouse who knows you very well and

1531
01:02:40,950 --> 01:02:37,210
Mark Dantonio they got together today

1532
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:40,960
and they have a question for you Jeff

1533
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:43,090
wants to know where the $5 is that you

1534
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:46,210
that he lent you in 2014 he says he

1535
01:03:00,840 --> 01:02:56,050
wants it back Jeff Joker so I know he's

1536
01:03:03,180 --> 01:03:00,850
only kidding but just because he made

1537
01:03:04,620 --> 01:03:03,190
such a funny comment although I pay him

1538
01:03:06,270 --> 01:03:04,630
five bucks for it one next time I see

1539
01:03:08,070 --> 01:03:06,280
you I think I will be seeing him soon

1540
01:03:10,110 --> 01:03:08,080
and also because I'll be speaking at

1541
01:03:11,730 --> 01:03:10,120
alien Con this summer and I think he

1542
01:03:15,630 --> 01:03:11,740
said he'll be there so I'll give you

1543
01:03:17,790 --> 01:03:15,640
your 5 bucks then mr. Crouse well Mark

1544
01:03:19,860 --> 01:03:17,800
Dantonio said that ice just spoke to him

1545
01:03:21,900 --> 01:03:19,870
today by the way and he says he wants to

1546
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:21,910
know from Jeff Crouse where's the five

1547
01:03:28,410 --> 01:03:24,130
bucks that he led to Jeff to lent to you

1548
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:28,420
and ha ha and Jeff also said that you

1549
01:03:31,079 --> 01:03:30,370
can pay him back in beer that's he did

1550
01:03:33,299 --> 01:03:31,089
say that so

1551
01:03:38,099 --> 01:03:33,309
just so you're aware it appeared for

1552
01:03:40,950 --> 01:03:38,109
five bucks anymore right okay

1553
01:03:44,849 --> 01:03:40,960
so Shane heard who as a field

1554
01:03:48,209 --> 01:03:44,859
investigator with Phoenix MUFON here in

1555
01:03:49,559 --> 01:03:48,219
Arizona was a fabulous person and I

1556
01:03:51,359 --> 01:03:49,569
actually had the opportunity to spend

1557
01:03:53,489 --> 01:03:51,369
time I actually at dinner with he and

1558
01:03:56,489 --> 01:03:53,499
his beautiful wife Donna

1559
01:03:58,440 --> 01:03:56,499
after the Phoenix lights event at that

1560
01:04:00,420 --> 01:03:58,450
doctor linkit I had here in Phoenix

1561
01:04:03,630 --> 01:04:00,430
Arizona was really wonderful event I

1562
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:03,640
spent seven hours with the saucer man my

1563
01:04:08,969 --> 01:04:06,130
equipment a camera guy covering that

1564
01:04:11,729 --> 01:04:08,979
event and anyway wanted to let you know

1565
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:11,739
his question he said has he ever seen a

1566
01:04:17,219 --> 01:04:14,890
UFO or had an experience and is that

1567
01:04:20,249 --> 01:04:17,229
what got him into the topic that is his

1568
01:04:23,420 --> 01:04:20,259
question for you okay yeah I left Shane

1569
01:04:25,319 --> 01:04:23,430
- hello buddy good good to hear from you

1570
01:04:27,630 --> 01:04:25,329
yeah and I don't think I've talked to

1571
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:27,640
him about my sightings but I have had a

1572
01:04:31,739 --> 01:04:30,130
couple of sightings they're not what got

1573
01:04:34,079 --> 01:04:31,749
me into this and it's a great question

1574
01:04:35,819 --> 01:04:34,089
because the vast majority of people who

1575
01:04:37,739 --> 01:04:35,829
have a passion for this field I think

1576
01:04:39,959 --> 01:04:37,749
have had sightings but not me

1577
01:04:41,969 --> 01:04:39,969
in fact I wasn't an investigator for

1578
01:04:44,249 --> 01:04:41,979
several years before I had my first

1579
01:04:46,019 --> 01:04:44,259
sighting and where did I have it funny

1580
01:04:48,839 --> 01:04:46,029
enough at a place called to you of a

1581
01:04:51,299 --> 01:04:48,849
watchtower so this is a place in

1582
01:04:53,579 --> 01:04:51,309
Colorado it's in the San Luis Valley

1583
01:04:53,999 --> 01:04:53,589
where I do have roots my family had come

1584
01:04:55,799 --> 01:04:54,009
from there

1585
01:04:58,469 --> 01:04:55,809
a lot of weird stuff goes on there Chris

1586
01:05:00,150 --> 01:04:58,479
O'Brien has a book on on the weirdness

1587
01:05:02,910 --> 01:05:00,160
out there he used to be based out there

1588
01:05:06,029 --> 01:05:02,920
but I decided you know what I got a

1589
01:05:07,979 --> 01:05:06,039
visit this this place and so me and my

1590
01:05:10,289 --> 01:05:07,989
sister and a buddy and his girlfriend

1591
01:05:13,079 --> 01:05:10,299
all decided to go camping out there at

1592
01:05:15,209 --> 01:05:13,089
this UFO Watchtower since you know I

1593
01:05:16,859 --> 01:05:15,219
ended up you know being like the emcee

1594
01:05:19,259 --> 01:05:16,869
for this yearly thing they did there and

1595
01:05:20,759 --> 01:05:19,269
because when we got there I just really

1596
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:20,769
hit it off with the lady who was running

1597
01:05:24,239 --> 01:05:22,210
at she was such a cool lady

1598
01:05:26,190 --> 01:05:24,249
so we were just talking and talking and

1599
01:05:29,789 --> 01:05:26,200
talking and we weren't outside looking

1600
01:05:31,259 --> 01:05:29,799
and my sister said I think there's a

1601
01:05:33,509 --> 01:05:31,269
satellite out here but she was really

1602
01:05:35,009 --> 01:05:33,519
excited so I could tell oh she must see

1603
01:05:37,829 --> 01:05:35,019
something interesting so I ran out there

1604
01:05:40,979 --> 01:05:37,839
and sure enough there was this really

1605
01:05:42,959 --> 01:05:40,989
bright light to the east of us in the

1606
01:05:44,910 --> 01:05:42,969
San Luis Valley we're directly east of

1607
01:05:47,100 --> 01:05:44,920
the the sand dunes the same

1608
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:47,110
national park there and the sand dudes

1609
01:05:51,750 --> 01:05:49,210
is up against the Sangre de Cristo

1610
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:51,760
Mountains and above the mountain range

1611
01:05:56,970 --> 01:05:54,010
at about 30% it was dusk

1612
01:05:59,430 --> 01:05:56,980
there was a really bright light it was

1613
01:06:01,410 --> 01:05:59,440
dusk so it's not like it was dark enough

1614
01:06:03,270 --> 01:06:01,420
where you could see let's say the ISS or

1615
01:06:09,210 --> 01:06:03,280
something like that and it was moving

1616
01:06:11,850 --> 01:06:09,220
across above the the hills it it was not

1617
01:06:13,740 --> 01:06:11,860
blinking it was just a solid light it

1618
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:13,750
was moving and then when it got about

1619
01:06:17,370 --> 01:06:15,730
directly east of us it made these weird

1620
01:06:19,730 --> 01:06:17,380
movements everybody saw something

1621
01:06:21,780 --> 01:06:19,740
different I thought it was kind of like

1622
01:06:23,670 --> 01:06:21,790
blinking like the light was going on

1623
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:23,680
enough and then fading off and also

1624
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:27,250
making this jerky movement others

1625
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:29,770
started changing direction and some of

1626
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:33,090
this other stuff before it faded out so

1627
01:06:37,290 --> 01:06:35,290
yeah that was weird that was my first

1628
01:06:38,700 --> 01:06:37,300
sighting that oh and then this is what's

1629
01:06:40,470 --> 01:06:38,710
weird so we're all excited and we're

1630
01:06:41,850 --> 01:06:40,480
talking about it and as we're talking it

1631
01:06:44,430 --> 01:06:41,860
gets darker and darker because it was

1632
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:44,440
dusk then it's pitch dark out and sure

1633
01:06:51,990 --> 01:06:48,370
enough I I turn around and in the North

1634
01:06:56,220 --> 01:06:52,000
East and the North West there was a

1635
01:06:58,140 --> 01:06:56,230
satellite well let's see I was facing

1636
01:07:00,330 --> 01:06:58,150
West so this was in the southwest in the

1637
01:07:02,220 --> 01:07:00,340
northwest there were two satellites and

1638
01:07:05,010 --> 01:07:02,230
they were both at about the same

1639
01:07:06,810 --> 01:07:05,020
distance coming towards us and they

1640
01:07:09,450 --> 01:07:06,820
crossed this is so weird

1641
01:07:11,460 --> 01:07:09,460
they crossed in the sky right above

1642
01:07:12,810 --> 01:07:11,470
where we had our sighting and I call him

1643
01:07:15,900 --> 01:07:12,820
satellites because they were just slow

1644
01:07:17,130 --> 01:07:15,910
you know moving in one direction so that

1645
01:07:19,470 --> 01:07:17,140
was really cool it's kind of neat

1646
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:19,480
because at a San Diego comic-con for the

1647
01:07:23,850 --> 01:07:21,370
Blue Book Project Blue Book television

1648
01:07:26,460 --> 01:07:23,860
show they had like this secret base set

1649
01:07:29,610 --> 01:07:26,470
up and they had guys in there sketching

1650
01:07:32,190 --> 01:07:29,620
out people's UFO cases so I was able to

1651
01:07:35,460 --> 01:07:32,200
get them to sketch my sighting and in

1652
01:07:38,250 --> 01:07:35,470
fact I I did this on I think a Facebook

1653
01:07:39,930 --> 01:07:38,260
live or a Instagram live where I went

1654
01:07:42,090 --> 01:07:39,940
through that and then showed people my

1655
01:07:45,450 --> 01:07:42,100
my thinks you can go on there and check

1656
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:45,460
that out okay yes and thank you so much

1657
01:07:50,430 --> 01:07:49,210
for going over that two things I wanted

1658
01:07:53,250 --> 01:07:50,440
to mention before I ask you the next

1659
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:53,260
question and that is chase Clark is here

1660
01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:55,210
with us tonight which is wonderful and

1661
01:07:58,440 --> 01:07:57,250
she was also very happy that you were

1662
01:08:01,290 --> 01:07:58,450
going over the

1663
01:08:03,450 --> 01:08:01,300
females involved in ufology that are

1664
01:08:05,940 --> 01:08:03,460
going to be representing all of us at

1665
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:05,950
the UFO Congress because you have quite

1666
01:08:10,770 --> 01:08:07,810
a few I think probably more than any

1667
01:08:12,900 --> 01:08:10,780
other convention possibly and then also

1668
01:08:15,060 --> 01:08:12,910
the other four got rich Hoffmann rich

1669
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:15,070
Hoffman of SCU is here with us tonight

1670
01:08:19,559 --> 01:08:18,250
and he said hello and it's always nice

1671
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:19,569
to see rich she's such a wonderful

1672
01:08:23,700 --> 01:08:21,370
person and we really enjoy his company

1673
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:23,710
very much feels like an episode of this

1674
01:08:28,530 --> 01:08:26,770
is your life because you're talking all

1675
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:28,540
of my favorite people some of my best

1676
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:30,730
buds out there you know it's so funny

1677
01:08:36,329 --> 01:08:32,650
rich Hoffman is hilarious you know

1678
01:08:38,430 --> 01:08:36,339
people may think he's just serious all

1679
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:38,440
the time and myopically focused on stuff

1680
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:40,810
and he is he's laser sharp and you know

1681
01:08:45,090 --> 01:08:42,730
you can't get anything by him just like

1682
01:08:47,340 --> 01:08:45,100
you but what's so very funny about him

1683
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:47,350
is he's just got such an intense sense

1684
01:08:50,910 --> 01:08:49,330
of humor we we just thoroughly enjoy

1685
01:08:54,510 --> 01:08:50,920
spending time with him whenever we get

1686
01:08:56,700 --> 01:08:54,520
an opportunity to do so moving on to the

1687
01:09:00,240 --> 01:08:56,710
next question that is Tom Willett more

1688
01:09:01,620 --> 01:09:00,250
and now just so you know and I don't

1689
01:09:04,380 --> 01:09:01,630
mean to sound like your mother here

1690
01:09:06,870 --> 01:09:04,390
Alejandro I do have to warn you there

1691
01:09:08,099 --> 01:09:06,880
are quite a few questions so you know if

1692
01:09:10,110 --> 01:09:08,109
you feel like you can do this with

1693
01:09:12,150 --> 01:09:10,120
brevity that would be great so that's my

1694
01:09:14,430 --> 01:09:12,160
warning to you all right Tom Whitmore

1695
01:09:16,709 --> 01:09:14,440
the question would be do you think that

1696
01:09:19,050 --> 01:09:16,719
Grant Cameron will actually release the

1697
01:09:23,309 --> 01:09:19,060
interview what could be so explosive

1698
01:09:25,590 --> 01:09:23,319
about mj-12 and the deep state

1699
01:09:28,019 --> 01:09:25,600
involvement in UFOs and what do you

1700
01:09:29,610 --> 01:09:28,029
think will happen if at all that's

1701
01:09:32,130 --> 01:09:29,620
exactly what he said so you can take

1702
01:09:35,519 --> 01:09:32,140
that as as you will if you want me to

1703
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:35,529
reread it too you know yeah I get it

1704
01:09:40,740 --> 01:09:37,810
so yeah Tom went Morris great he's a

1705
01:09:43,410 --> 01:09:40,750
board member of MUFON yes I do know him

1706
01:09:45,180 --> 01:09:43,420
well and you know what I don't pay

1707
01:09:48,390 --> 01:09:45,190
attention to any of that and here's why

1708
01:09:50,610 --> 01:09:48,400
and I first of all I love Grant Cameron

1709
01:09:52,829 --> 01:09:50,620
to get death he's an important person in

1710
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:52,839
this field his presidential UFO sight is

1711
01:09:58,970 --> 01:09:55,930
so important but lately I don't know

1712
01:10:01,410 --> 01:09:58,980
it's just that I don't feel like his

1713
01:10:03,030 --> 01:10:01,420
he's going down some rabbit holes that

1714
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:03,040
aren't being very productive I don't

1715
01:10:08,940 --> 01:10:06,010
think so I think that it would be best

1716
01:10:10,830 --> 01:10:08,950
for him to kind of come around and start

1717
01:10:12,330 --> 01:10:10,840
to look into some areas that'll be a

1718
01:10:14,910 --> 01:10:12,340
little more fruitful because

1719
01:10:17,220 --> 01:10:14,920
first of all you know I'm one of these

1720
01:10:19,440 --> 01:10:17,230
people and I've done a lot of research

1721
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:19,450
on this and people can see it I just the

1722
01:10:25,050 --> 01:10:22,210
the mj-12 documents are not real I mean

1723
01:10:27,660 --> 01:10:25,060
they were people don't talk about this

1724
01:10:29,190 --> 01:10:27,670
but the very first MJ time mj-12 was

1725
01:10:31,050 --> 01:10:29,200
mentioned is in a document that was

1726
01:10:34,140 --> 01:10:31,060
created by Richard Doty and Richard Doty

1727
01:10:36,420 --> 01:10:34,150
says that was fake yeah the whole thing

1728
01:10:38,250 --> 01:10:36,430
there are fakes I will say this about

1729
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:38,260
him I think they're useful reading they

1730
01:10:42,450 --> 01:10:40,090
were actually very helpful to me when I

1731
01:10:43,980 --> 01:10:42,460
started on this they're very well

1732
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:43,990
researched well you know what's

1733
01:10:48,950 --> 01:10:46,210
interesting about that it's because they

1734
01:10:51,810 --> 01:10:48,960
were written I mean and this is what so

1735
01:10:53,850 --> 01:10:51,820
suspicious so these very first documents

1736
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:53,860
were created by Richard Doty then they

1737
01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:55,810
got a lot better and it turned out that

1738
01:11:00,570 --> 01:10:57,610
it was William Moore an author who

1739
01:11:03,330 --> 01:11:00,580
joined him and started you know sharing

1740
01:11:05,010 --> 01:11:03,340
these fake documents Richard Moore of

1741
01:11:07,530 --> 01:11:05,020
course our William Moore worked with

1742
01:11:09,810 --> 01:11:07,540
Stanton Friedman and surprisingly a lot

1743
01:11:12,030 --> 01:11:09,820
of the research that's Anton Friedman

1744
01:11:14,220 --> 01:11:12,040
and Bill Moore had done ended up in

1745
01:11:15,780 --> 01:11:14,230
these documents or sure so that's why

1746
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:15,790
it's great research because it is great

1747
01:11:21,450 --> 01:11:18,250
research from Sam Friedman and you know

1748
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:21,460
that ended up in some of these but but

1749
01:11:24,510 --> 01:11:23,050
yes I don't put much into that we

1750
01:11:26,670 --> 01:11:24,520
haven't seen much there was supposed to

1751
01:11:30,090 --> 01:11:26,680
be this big news from Joe fromage that

1752
01:11:31,950 --> 01:11:30,100
has turned out to be false news it seems

1753
01:11:33,150 --> 01:11:31,960
like he's even admitted this position he

1754
01:11:36,420 --> 01:11:33,160
claimed to have with the national space

1755
01:11:38,130 --> 01:11:36,430
council doesn't even exist so and I

1756
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:38,140
found that just kind of my happenstance

1757
01:11:42,150 --> 01:11:40,570
so I don't I there hasn't been anything

1758
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:42,160
I don't think fruitful coming from that

1759
01:11:45,300 --> 01:11:43,930
I don't believe the mj-12 documents are

1760
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:45,310
real I don't think we're gonna receive

1761
01:11:50,250 --> 01:11:47,170
anything from that and that's going to

1762
01:11:53,340 --> 01:11:50,260
be of use personally so I'm not really

1763
01:11:55,790 --> 01:11:53,350
paying attention to it yeah and I'm glad

1764
01:12:00,150 --> 01:11:55,800
you did bring that up because I was

1765
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:00,160
sorry to interrupt again yet but they're

1766
01:12:04,290 --> 01:12:02,530
not real they still came from somewhere

1767
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:04,300
I don't believe that that great jinda

1768
01:12:09,570 --> 01:12:06,730
muffin is running around suggesting that

1769
01:12:11,940 --> 01:12:09,580
he's got them I think somebody did give

1770
01:12:14,010 --> 01:12:11,950
them to him and don't you think that

1771
01:12:16,470 --> 01:12:14,020
it's important that we know about that

1772
01:12:18,270 --> 01:12:16,480
kind of thing that the UFO researchers

1773
01:12:21,630 --> 01:12:18,280
might be getting snowed or played a

1774
01:12:23,130 --> 01:12:21,640
little bit and it's a it's good to know

1775
01:12:26,070 --> 01:12:23,140
about this stuff it's good to keep your

1776
01:12:27,870 --> 01:12:26,080
eye on this sort of it's very important

1777
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:27,880
and I've been trying to share the roots

1778
01:12:32,070 --> 01:12:29,890
of where this information comes from and

1779
01:12:34,020 --> 01:12:32,080
the roots of where this data actually is

1780
01:12:35,700 --> 01:12:34,030
source from but nobody seems to pay

1781
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:35,710
attention because it's kind of more fun

1782
01:12:41,310 --> 01:12:38,770
to to believe in the the mystery or the

1783
01:12:45,780 --> 01:12:41,320
the mythology it seems like so now I'm

1784
01:12:47,370 --> 01:12:45,790
sending like George Knapp but you know I

1785
01:12:49,290 --> 01:12:47,380
agree with you and I've been trying to

1786
01:12:51,990 --> 01:12:49,300
share this message and I'm nice great to

1787
01:12:52,980 --> 01:12:52,000
share this message you know at any time

1788
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:52,990
even though I'm sure there's people

1789
01:12:57,240 --> 01:12:54,850
listeners that are very frustrated by

1790
01:13:00,180 --> 01:12:57,250
those comments but that's what I found

1791
01:13:01,980 --> 01:13:00,190
in my years of research right so let's

1792
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:01,990
just talk about Joe firmage for a second

1793
01:13:05,510 --> 01:13:03,610
by the way you know I don't know if it's

1794
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:05,520
Joe fromage like target to target

1795
01:13:12,260 --> 01:13:07,930
pronounce that name but I'll just say

1796
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:12,270
Joe firmage for now I evidently grant

1797
01:13:17,130 --> 01:13:15,010
posted something interesting recently we

1798
01:13:19,190 --> 01:13:17,140
all saw it it was huge in the topic if

1799
01:13:23,010 --> 01:13:19,200
you ethology for some and not for others

1800
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:23,020
what that picture was that he posted was

1801
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:25,890
the National Space Council indicating

1802
01:13:31,350 --> 01:13:29,290
allegedly that Joe firmage had joined it

1803
01:13:33,030 --> 01:13:31,360
you can go ahead and say in what manner

1804
01:13:33,930 --> 01:13:33,040
if you wish alejandra that would be

1805
01:13:35,970 --> 01:13:33,940
great

1806
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:35,980
and then I did want to mention to

1807
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:37,930
everybody when I did my research on this

1808
01:13:44,070 --> 01:13:41,410
topic I think it was Bruce Benton that

1809
01:13:46,410 --> 01:13:44,080
came up with information research he had

1810
01:13:49,350 --> 01:13:46,420
done finding out that there was no such

1811
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:49,360
position that Joe firmage held now when

1812
01:13:53,250 --> 01:13:51,370
I also did research looking for anything

1813
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:53,260
that Grant had to say about this topic

1814
01:13:59,330 --> 01:13:55,090
because as you know alejandro like

1815
01:14:02,130 --> 01:13:59,340
yourself you would he get comments a

1816
01:14:04,590 --> 01:14:02,140
prolific amount of comments from people

1817
01:14:08,370 --> 01:14:04,600
asking you questions demanding answers

1818
01:14:11,430 --> 01:14:08,380
and there were questions in the hundreds

1819
01:14:13,590 --> 01:14:11,440
to grant and everything I sifted through

1820
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:13,600
I only found a few comments from Grant

1821
01:14:20,220 --> 01:14:15,690
about this and here it goes

1822
01:14:23,100 --> 01:14:20,230
the real Aussie for 48 he asked at White

1823
01:14:25,290 --> 01:14:23,110
House UFO which is grant Cameron where

1824
01:14:27,450 --> 01:14:25,300
is the proof of this meaning Joe firmage

1825
01:14:29,100 --> 01:14:27,460
the thing he just posted on it the

1826
01:14:32,070 --> 01:14:29,110
picture he did about the National Space

1827
01:14:33,390 --> 01:14:32,080
Council and Joe firmage being involved

1828
01:14:35,370 --> 01:14:33,400
with that you can go ahead and talk

1829
01:14:37,950 --> 01:14:35,380
about that position if you don't mind

1830
01:14:40,290 --> 01:14:37,960
all Honjo in a moment and

1831
01:14:45,780 --> 01:14:40,300
white house that UFO being grant Cameron

1832
01:14:51,150 --> 01:14:45,790
said standby when he was asked about it

1833
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:51,160
and then he was asked again and he said

1834
01:14:56,730 --> 01:14:53,650
grant Cameron said I am watching just

1835
01:14:59,490 --> 01:14:56,740
like you so he never once committed to

1836
01:15:03,930 --> 01:14:59,500
saying he believed what he posted he

1837
01:15:05,820 --> 01:15:03,940
just said that people need to stand by

1838
01:15:07,710 --> 01:15:05,830
and he is watching

1839
01:15:12,990 --> 01:15:07,720
just like you those two things that's

1840
01:15:14,790 --> 01:15:13,000
all I found the position I know I

1841
01:15:16,620 --> 01:15:14,800
definitely do not want to spare you any

1842
01:15:17,010 --> 01:15:16,630
of these people because I do respect

1843
01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:17,020
them

1844
01:15:20,700 --> 01:15:19,330
Joe fromage for some for instance he's

1845
01:15:23,550 --> 01:15:20,710
another guy who made a lot of money I

1846
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:23,560
think in the Silicon Valley and he

1847
01:15:28,170 --> 01:15:25,690
decided to put it towards UFO research

1848
01:15:31,470 --> 01:15:28,180
which is great I think that's wonderful

1849
01:15:33,090 --> 01:15:31,480
but as far as yeah unfortunately you

1850
01:15:34,380 --> 01:15:33,100
know this press release went out on his

1851
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:34,390
web site that said he was going to be

1852
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:36,610
President of the National Space Council

1853
01:15:44,370 --> 01:15:41,290
now yeah I also cover space so I you

1854
01:15:46,260 --> 01:15:44,380
know luckily get to go to NASA

1855
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:46,270
facilities interview astronauts this

1856
01:15:49,950 --> 01:15:48,370
sort of thing so I'm very familiar with

1857
01:15:52,620 --> 01:15:49,960
the National Space Council which is

1858
01:15:54,270 --> 01:15:52,630
something that President Trump had

1859
01:15:55,980 --> 01:15:54,280
restarted it was something that was

1860
01:15:58,110 --> 01:15:55,990
created way back in the past

1861
01:16:00,420 --> 01:15:58,120
essentially this council that advises

1862
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:00,430
the president regarding space and that

1863
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:03,250
Trump created that again and you can go

1864
01:16:07,620 --> 01:16:04,930
to the website it's on NASA's website

1865
01:16:09,390 --> 01:16:07,630
where you can see all of the members you

1866
01:16:12,030 --> 01:16:09,400
know you referred to earlier Frank this

1867
01:16:13,470 --> 01:16:12,040
article on Politico where one of these

1868
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:13,480
gentlemen from the House Space Committee

1869
01:16:17,730 --> 01:16:16,210
had made a comment on UFOs also present

1870
01:16:20,670 --> 01:16:17,740
in that conversation was one of the

1871
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:20,680
members of the National Space Council so

1872
01:16:24,660 --> 01:16:22,210
you know they're out there it's an

1873
01:16:26,370 --> 01:16:24,670
organization that's out there but and

1874
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:26,380
it's a big time I mean if we're gonna

1875
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:29,290
say say they advise a president they

1876
01:16:34,500 --> 01:16:31,570
work directly with NASA leadership so

1877
01:16:36,450 --> 01:16:34,510
this is a very public thing they had

1878
01:16:38,670 --> 01:16:36,460
made a comment I know that they don't

1879
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:38,680
even know who Joe fromage is which makes

1880
01:16:42,900 --> 01:16:41,530
sense so maybe Joe is trying to work

1881
01:16:44,340 --> 01:16:42,910
with them somehow

1882
01:16:46,860 --> 01:16:44,350
and that would be great and maybe he's

1883
01:16:48,810 --> 01:16:46,870
trying to get them into UFOs it's

1884
01:16:51,190 --> 01:16:48,820
unfortunate I think what happened here

1885
01:16:53,530 --> 01:16:51,200
is grant

1886
01:16:55,300 --> 01:16:53,540
is taking information yeah apparently he

1887
01:16:56,710 --> 01:16:55,310
got directly from fromage or maybe

1888
01:16:59,140 --> 01:16:56,720
somebody very close to him

1889
01:17:01,150 --> 01:16:59,150
he went with it for my if fromage was

1890
01:17:04,060 --> 01:17:01,160
the ultimate source on this announcement

1891
01:17:06,010 --> 01:17:04,070
that proved to be crazy but if the

1892
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:06,020
source gives you something and you go

1893
01:17:13,180 --> 01:17:07,970
with it and it turns out to be terrible

1894
01:17:16,690 --> 01:17:13,190
wait there's there's poor information

1895
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:16,700
that that buttress is all of this in the

1896
01:17:22,030 --> 01:17:18,410
first place and I think that's the issue

1897
01:17:24,100 --> 01:17:22,040
that that you know you can connect dots

1898
01:17:26,710 --> 01:17:24,110
but if you're connecting dots by

1899
01:17:30,370 --> 01:17:26,720
speculation and assumption you know it's

1900
01:17:33,010 --> 01:17:30,380
going to be a very weak case understood

1901
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:33,020
but if firm oz releases something like

1902
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:35,090
this no matter how bogus it is isn't the

1903
01:17:41,440 --> 01:17:37,130
fact that for Maj releases it news I

1904
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:41,450
think it is well I don't think so

1905
01:17:44,380 --> 01:17:43,130
personally don't think yeah I'm not

1906
01:17:46,660 --> 01:17:44,390
saying it's the biggest story in the

1907
01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:46,670
world but you know it's coming from

1908
01:17:55,990 --> 01:17:54,170
fromage he's saying it but yeah I here's

1909
01:17:57,520 --> 01:17:56,000
why I didn't cover it I didn't think it

1910
01:17:59,040 --> 01:17:57,530
was that big of news because you know I

1911
01:18:01,480 --> 01:17:59,050
hadn't been hearing things from other

1912
01:18:03,580 --> 01:18:01,490
mainstream more traditional routes which

1913
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:03,590
you would I mean it's a big deal

1914
01:18:07,690 --> 01:18:05,090
okay great was saying that was gonna

1915
01:18:10,090 --> 01:18:07,700
happen and that did happen yeah not even

1916
01:18:11,770 --> 01:18:10,100
close just the opposite they even said

1917
01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:11,780
we don't even know who this guy is it

1918
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:15,170
sounds like more like he's trying to you

1919
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:16,970
know introduce them to some of the stuff

1920
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:18,530
that he's working on which is kind of

1921
01:18:24,220 --> 01:18:20,810
more along of the lines of what a tip is

1922
01:18:26,110 --> 01:18:24,230
working on and he wants like our TTS a

1923
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:26,120
so he wants to be like TTS a and he

1924
01:18:30,700 --> 01:18:28,010
wants to you know get involved with some

1925
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:30,710
of these mainstream organizations you

1926
01:18:35,350 --> 01:18:32,930
know and you know good luck to him but

1927
01:18:37,690 --> 01:18:35,360
there there has been practically no

1928
01:18:39,490 --> 01:18:37,700
headway made in that arena and and lots

1929
01:18:42,130 --> 01:18:39,500
of these are kind of like shadowboxing

1930
01:18:44,590 --> 01:18:42,140
you know it's like it's it's all of

1931
01:18:46,570 --> 01:18:44,600
their this may happen or they that may

1932
01:18:48,340 --> 01:18:46,580
happen and you know we're according to

1933
01:18:50,860 --> 01:18:48,350
this person and hearsay and rumor

1934
01:18:52,480 --> 01:18:50,870
whereas it's not you know direct hard

1935
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:52,490
facts that you can work with and that's

1936
01:18:56,770 --> 01:18:54,290
why I haven't worked in that arena

1937
01:18:58,750 --> 01:18:56,780
because sure enough it all far as apart

1938
01:19:00,580 --> 01:18:58,760
and people think you know I'm being kind

1939
01:19:02,650 --> 01:19:00,590
of a jerk but I'm not it's just that

1940
01:19:04,899 --> 01:19:02,660
there hasn't been anything fruitful from

1941
01:19:08,410 --> 01:19:04,909
that front as far as you know real hard

1942
01:19:10,180 --> 01:19:08,420
data and so and I could be proven wrong

1943
01:19:11,590 --> 01:19:10,190
and I could have been you know fromage

1944
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:11,600
might have been announcing and I would

1945
01:19:15,070 --> 01:19:13,610
have you know lost out because I could

1946
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:15,080
have been ahead of the story but

1947
01:19:20,260 --> 01:19:18,530
unfortunately what I suspected was that

1948
01:19:23,290 --> 01:19:20,270
the same thing that we keep hearing from

1949
01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:23,300
the side of the things is not true and

1950
01:19:27,310 --> 01:19:25,489
it's not um this is a site of things

1951
01:19:30,580 --> 01:19:27,320
that is just really kind of going down I

1952
01:19:32,530 --> 01:19:30,590
think the wrong path it's a sad story

1953
01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:32,540
for sure I got to disagree with you a

1954
01:19:36,910 --> 01:19:34,250
little bit and that it is a story maybe

1955
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:36,920
not a huge story but it's a little bit

1956
01:19:44,050 --> 01:19:41,170
of a story wanted to mention about Bruce

1957
01:19:49,990 --> 01:19:44,060
Fenton and doing some research on this

1958
01:19:51,669 --> 01:19:50,000
and he found out that regarding the

1959
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:51,679
national space Council and Joe Furman

1960
01:19:58,000 --> 01:19:54,530
George Oh fromage putting I guess

1961
01:19:59,320 --> 01:19:58,010
putting out allegedly putting out saying

1962
01:20:01,330 --> 01:19:59,330
that he's the president of national

1963
01:20:02,709 --> 01:20:01,340
space Council Thea McDonald director of

1964
01:20:05,470 --> 01:20:02,719
communications for the national space

1965
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:05,480
Council from the White House allegedly

1966
01:20:08,590 --> 01:20:08,090
wrote back a letter saying to Bruce

1967
01:20:10,689 --> 01:20:08,600
Fenton

1968
01:20:11,979 --> 01:20:10,699
hello this information is false this is

1969
01:20:13,419 --> 01:20:11,989
not an official announcement from the

1970
01:20:15,399 --> 01:20:13,429
National Space Council and we are

1971
01:20:18,790 --> 01:20:15,409
unfamiliar with this individual Thank

1972
01:20:20,860 --> 01:20:18,800
You Thea just as Alejandro said you know

1973
01:20:23,890 --> 01:20:20,870
I mean we're giving an air time but also

1974
01:20:25,689 --> 01:20:23,900
it's important to things you know

1975
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:25,699
Alejandro is right when he said this is

1976
01:20:31,899 --> 01:20:28,850
really a non news topic it is it's not

1977
01:20:34,419 --> 01:20:31,909
really news but at the same time weirdly

1978
01:20:36,430 --> 01:20:34,429
we have to cover it because even though

1979
01:20:38,410 --> 01:20:36,440
it's not real

1980
01:20:40,570 --> 01:20:38,420
it's important for folks in the ethology

1981
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:40,580
community to know and folks outside of

1982
01:20:47,500 --> 01:20:43,850
the US policy community to know that

1983
01:20:50,620 --> 01:20:47,510
this is not real news okay so all do you

1984
01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:50,630
agree Alejandro I mean for the most part

1985
01:20:53,590 --> 01:20:52,250
I mean I didn't feel it with news

1986
01:20:57,250 --> 01:20:53,600
because I was afraid that it would fall

1987
01:20:59,080 --> 01:20:57,260
apart like it did and it did and so I

1988
01:21:01,600 --> 01:20:59,090
don't I don't want to disparage anybody

1989
01:21:03,700 --> 01:21:01,610
or point out you know kind of the

1990
01:21:06,970 --> 01:21:03,710
follies behind the scenes that that are

1991
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:06,980
happening but I want to tell people that

1992
01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:09,650
there is legit stuff if you really have

1993
01:21:14,260 --> 01:21:12,050
an interest in consciousness how this

1994
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:14,270
may be happening what might be going on

1995
01:21:18,770 --> 01:21:16,850
that way who's researching it who's

1996
01:21:21,020 --> 01:21:18,780
doing serious research

1997
01:21:23,810 --> 01:21:21,030
major institutions you need to follow

1998
01:21:27,710 --> 01:21:23,820
people like help good off or Eric Davis

1999
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:27,720
or Gary Nolan or Jacques Vallee or the

2000
01:21:32,570 --> 01:21:30,690
SSE a whole organization of scientists

2001
01:21:34,940 --> 01:21:32,580
that look into this sort of things these

2002
01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:34,950
are credible scientists who are really

2003
01:21:38,660 --> 01:21:37,410
making headway and doing real work these

2004
01:21:40,010 --> 01:21:38,670
are the people that you need to pay

2005
01:21:42,140 --> 01:21:40,020
attention to if you're interested in

2006
01:21:43,820 --> 01:21:42,150
that sort of thing you're right and I

2007
01:21:45,740 --> 01:21:43,830
wholeheartedly agree with you and thank

2008
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:45,750
you for saying that you're turning you

2009
01:21:50,750 --> 01:21:48,810
know lemons into lemonade thereby saying

2010
01:21:53,210 --> 01:21:50,760
that so I appreciate that now I have

2011
01:21:56,840 --> 01:21:53,220
another question for you and this is

2012
01:21:58,460 --> 01:21:56,850
from Rodrigo Vieira and Rodrigo I always

2013
01:22:02,150 --> 01:21:58,470
say your name wrong your last name wrong

2014
01:22:06,770 --> 01:22:02,160
I am so sorry but anyway I wanted to ask

2015
01:22:08,330 --> 01:22:06,780
a who question so it's after okay I see

2016
01:22:11,150 --> 01:22:08,340
what he's saying here he's saying after

2017
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:11,160
you spoke with Elizondo dr. Davis and

2018
01:22:16,610 --> 01:22:14,610
dr. Nolan do you think a the US

2019
01:22:19,010 --> 01:22:16,620
government is in possession of alien

2020
01:22:21,500 --> 01:22:19,020
artifacts but it is so calm

2021
01:22:24,440 --> 01:22:21,510
compartmentalized that none of them are

2022
01:22:25,700 --> 01:22:24,450
aware of it and then do you want me to

2023
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:25,710
just read the whole thing and then I can

2024
01:22:30,050 --> 01:22:27,810
tell you again the first one okay be

2025
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:30,060
government crash retrievals alien

2026
01:22:33,830 --> 01:22:32,250
artifacts and Bob Lazar all fantasy I

2027
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:33,840
guess that's sort of he wants to know if

2028
01:22:38,060 --> 01:22:35,610
that's but do you commiserate with that

2029
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:38,070
but the first one is a the US government

2030
01:22:42,500 --> 01:22:40,530
is in possession of alien artifacts but

2031
01:22:44,330 --> 01:22:42,510
it is so compartmentalized that none of

2032
01:22:46,970 --> 01:22:44,340
them are aware of it do you agree with

2033
01:22:49,370 --> 01:22:46,980
that I think that is completely possible

2034
01:22:52,010 --> 01:22:49,380
I think that you know one of the

2035
01:22:55,730 --> 01:22:52,020
theories for example everything is you

2036
01:22:57,260 --> 01:22:55,740
know siloed you hear this a lot the Navy

2037
01:22:59,140 --> 01:22:57,270
doesn't know what the Air Force is doing

2038
01:23:02,060 --> 01:22:59,150
the Air Force doesn't know with you know

2039
01:23:03,500 --> 01:23:02,070
the DoD is doing everything is very

2040
01:23:06,440 --> 01:23:03,510
siloed all of these different

2041
01:23:08,990 --> 01:23:06,450
departments that are doing all this work

2042
01:23:11,630 --> 01:23:09,000
are doing it very independently so if

2043
01:23:12,890 --> 01:23:11,640
the Navy is collecting data often they

2044
01:23:14,870 --> 01:23:12,900
might not be sharing it with the Air

2045
01:23:16,490 --> 01:23:14,880
Force that's not might not be where the

2046
01:23:18,740 --> 01:23:16,500
information is going to where it's being

2047
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:18,750
analyzed and coalesced and everything so

2048
01:23:23,870 --> 01:23:20,570
that would be entirely possible

2049
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:23,880
situations like Roswell I think that you

2050
01:23:27,620 --> 01:23:25,770
know if we look at I just posted

2051
01:23:29,270 --> 01:23:27,630
something from John Alexander today he

2052
01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:29,280
spoke at Phoenix MUFON a few months ago

2053
01:23:32,779 --> 01:23:31,170
and he talks about how the government

2054
01:23:34,669 --> 01:23:32,789
works and how the siloing

2055
01:23:36,739 --> 01:23:34,679
happens and I think that this is

2056
01:23:38,419 --> 01:23:36,749
incredibly insightful and important

2057
01:23:40,969 --> 01:23:38,429
because let's say Roz will happen and

2058
01:23:43,369 --> 01:23:40,979
something really strange did crash there

2059
01:23:45,229 --> 01:23:43,379
well there's a somebody you know up the

2060
01:23:47,299 --> 01:23:45,239
line beside a hey this is embarrassing I

2061
01:23:52,009 --> 01:23:47,309
want it to go away they could burn the

2062
01:23:54,349 --> 01:23:52,019
files Lucy the the materials and and

2063
01:23:56,839 --> 01:23:54,359
it's over it's done it's lost to history

2064
01:23:59,059 --> 01:23:56,849
and in fact I think it mostly has I

2065
01:24:01,399 --> 01:23:59,069
don't think we're ever gonna find you

2066
01:24:03,379 --> 01:24:01,409
know of any of these records or anything

2067
01:24:05,239 --> 01:24:03,389
that it's just gone if they people

2068
01:24:08,839 --> 01:24:05,249
somebody wants them gone it's gonna be

2069
01:24:10,489 --> 01:24:08,849
gone so I think she's entirely correct

2070
01:24:12,049 --> 01:24:10,499
that there could be something that

2071
01:24:14,059 --> 01:24:12,059
people are sitting on it could be

2072
01:24:16,339 --> 01:24:14,069
possible for instance since you know

2073
01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:16,349
George Knapp went to Russia and he

2074
01:24:19,879 --> 01:24:18,449
received some materials that they said

2075
01:24:22,279 --> 01:24:19,889
that they analyzed and were mysterious

2076
01:24:24,529 --> 01:24:22,289
and could be from a UFO they sat in a

2077
01:24:26,059 --> 01:24:24,539
museum in Las Vegas for a period of time

2078
01:24:26,929 --> 01:24:26,069
and I think I'm not even sure where they

2079
01:24:29,149 --> 01:24:26,939
are right now

2080
01:24:31,639 --> 01:24:29,159
so something that may be something

2081
01:24:33,979 --> 01:24:31,649
significant you know just nobody's

2082
01:24:35,839 --> 01:24:33,989
taking the time to take it seriously so

2083
01:24:37,729 --> 01:24:35,849
it's just coasting around or sitting in

2084
01:24:39,889 --> 01:24:37,739
a closet or something I think that's

2085
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:39,899
entirely possible that that's a really

2086
01:24:48,559 --> 01:24:44,010
interesting observation okay and do you

2087
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:48,569
feel that what you just said yeah okay

2088
01:24:51,919 --> 01:24:50,010
thank you so you covered all that I'm

2089
01:24:53,209 --> 01:24:51,929
starting my own I went out while you

2090
01:24:55,250 --> 01:24:53,219
were talking I would just want to make

2091
01:24:58,039 --> 01:24:55,260
sure you cover from a - I know talk

2092
01:25:00,349 --> 01:24:58,049
about the crashes I am ok let me mention

2093
01:25:01,909 --> 01:25:00,359
let me mention B again though so you

2094
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:01,919
don't miss any part of it so I'm

2095
01:25:05,389 --> 01:25:03,449
starting or up to but it's only just so

2096
01:25:07,579 --> 01:25:05,399
you can hear the question again B

2097
01:25:11,079 --> 01:25:07,589
government crash retrievals alien

2098
01:25:13,099 --> 01:25:11,089
artifacts and Bob Lazar are all fantasy

2099
01:25:15,529 --> 01:25:13,109
go ahead I don't know that they're all

2100
01:25:17,270 --> 01:25:15,539
fantasy I you know I'm not afraid to say

2101
01:25:20,119 --> 01:25:17,280
I don't know and I think that's really

2102
01:25:21,919 --> 01:25:20,129
important is to say I don't know because

2103
01:25:24,489 --> 01:25:21,929
I don't it's certainly that they're

2104
01:25:27,259 --> 01:25:24,499
possible you know in my scale as

2105
01:25:29,779 --> 01:25:27,269
probability scale changes you know on a

2106
01:25:31,759 --> 01:25:29,789
regular basis so for instance I'm still

2107
01:25:34,399 --> 01:25:31,769
highly skeptical of crashes period

2108
01:25:36,649 --> 01:25:34,409
overall I just AM skeptical that that

2109
01:25:40,099 --> 01:25:36,659
could even happen or or be hidden

2110
01:25:42,619 --> 01:25:40,109
however my scale isn't as far to the

2111
01:25:45,199 --> 01:25:42,629
left as it usually is because like he

2112
01:25:46,530 --> 01:25:45,209
mentioned I interviewed Eric Davis this

2113
01:25:48,060 --> 01:25:46,540
week and Eric Davis

2114
01:25:50,100 --> 01:25:48,070
very convinced that there have been

2115
01:25:51,870 --> 01:25:50,110
crashes before and there are even

2116
01:25:54,450 --> 01:25:51,880
possibly even projects to receive

2117
01:25:57,720 --> 01:25:54,460
crashes so it's possible I don't think

2118
01:26:00,810 --> 01:25:57,730
we have well just there there are always

2119
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:00,820
a crashed retrieval programs going on

2120
01:26:04,860 --> 01:26:03,130
because there is such a huge

2121
01:26:06,750 --> 01:26:04,870
infrastructure built up the foreign

2122
01:26:10,110 --> 01:26:06,760
technology divisions been functioning

2123
01:26:14,730 --> 01:26:10,120
since World War one we're always looking

2124
01:26:21,060 --> 01:26:14,740
for crashed non-us aircraft right right

2125
01:26:23,340 --> 01:26:21,070
so that mechanism does exist now whether

2126
01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:23,350
some of those crashes retrieved are UFOs

2127
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:25,330
that's you know the issue that we're

2128
01:26:30,030 --> 01:26:27,370
interested in but we're definitely

2129
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:30,040
always out there looking so Soviet craft

2130
01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:32,050
comes down something like that well back

2131
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:34,330
in the day Russian craft Carney's crap

2132
01:26:38,010 --> 01:26:35,890
yeah we want it there's no question

2133
01:26:41,250 --> 01:26:38,020
about that but I guess to his other

2134
01:26:43,890 --> 01:26:41,260
point as much as I am a humongous fan of

2135
01:26:47,490 --> 01:26:43,900
George naps I'm highly skeptical of Bob

2136
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:47,500
Lazar we've got one person who's got an

2137
01:26:52,950 --> 01:26:49,930
anecdotal story with nothing to back it

2138
01:26:54,810 --> 01:26:52,960
up and unfortunately you know some of

2139
01:26:57,090 --> 01:26:54,820
the people that things that people think

2140
01:26:59,280 --> 01:26:57,100
are smoking guns are not element 115 was

2141
01:27:00,360 --> 01:26:59,290
not introduced by Bob Lazar this is

2142
01:27:03,210 --> 01:27:00,370
something science he's been talking

2143
01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:03,220
about way before before Bob Lazar was

2144
01:27:07,170 --> 01:27:05,410
born scientists were talking about

2145
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:07,180
element 115 and what it could

2146
01:27:12,900 --> 01:27:09,010
potentially be he's not the guy who came

2147
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:12,910
up with that so I you know I'm huge

2148
01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:14,890
friends with Jeremy Korbel too and we we

2149
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:18,250
debate this all of the time but it's

2150
01:27:22,710 --> 01:27:21,610
possible a little bit - I'm gonna debate

2151
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:22,720
with you a little bit - because I think

2152
01:27:27,060 --> 01:27:24,610
George has been exceptionally careful

2153
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:27,070
and what he's backed up as far as what

2154
01:27:31,110 --> 01:27:29,530
Bob said he's convinced that Bob worked

2155
01:27:34,440 --> 01:27:31,120
there and frankly I am - that he

2156
01:27:37,350 --> 01:27:34,450
actually did work there at area 51 yes

2157
01:27:39,570 --> 01:27:37,360
yes not at all okay yeah I'm convinced

2158
01:27:41,820 --> 01:27:39,580
he at least worked there I have you ever

2159
01:27:43,650 --> 01:27:41,830
seen Bob's original documentary the one

2160
01:27:46,740 --> 01:27:43,660
that he himself made and his friend Jean

2161
01:27:50,850 --> 01:27:46,750
I think that's really interesting and my

2162
01:27:52,440 --> 01:27:50,860
own opinion is that the second part of

2163
01:27:54,919 --> 01:27:52,450
his documentary where he talked about

2164
01:27:57,200 --> 01:27:54,929
that briefing that he got

2165
01:27:59,840 --> 01:27:57,210
I would spend all the information about

2166
01:28:01,880 --> 01:27:59,850
Zeta Reticuli and that we know where the

2167
01:28:04,430 --> 01:28:01,890
ETS are coming from and so on and so

2168
01:28:06,919 --> 01:28:04,440
forth I think that's actually true I

2169
01:28:09,169 --> 01:28:06,929
think he was fed that information but

2170
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:09,179
what I think this is my theory now what

2171
01:28:15,140 --> 01:28:12,090
I think was the first part of what he

2172
01:28:17,270 --> 01:28:15,150
said that he saw was in fact that entire

2173
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:17,280
briefing he just segmented that part out

2174
01:28:21,950 --> 01:28:19,050
said yeah I experienced all this

2175
01:28:25,550 --> 01:28:21,960
firsthand but in reality that tire

2176
01:28:27,740 --> 01:28:25,560
episode that entire what he recounted in

2177
01:28:31,070 --> 01:28:27,750
that documentary was in fact and

2178
01:28:32,870 --> 01:28:31,080
probably in a fuzzy briefing and he was

2179
01:28:35,630 --> 01:28:32,880
played a little bit that's what I think

2180
01:28:38,330 --> 01:28:35,640
that's entirely possible I did a lecture

2181
01:28:40,160 --> 01:28:38,340
actually where I compared Bob Lazar to

2182
01:28:42,290 --> 01:28:40,170
Doty and I was like is this another UFO

2183
01:28:44,510 --> 01:28:42,300
disinformation scandal and I'm not

2184
01:28:46,459 --> 01:28:44,520
saying it is I don't know that it's what

2185
01:28:48,350 --> 01:28:46,469
I think obviously yeah I don't know that

2186
01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:48,360
for sure either but at least that's my

2187
01:28:54,050 --> 01:28:50,090
working theory

2188
01:28:55,490 --> 01:28:54,060
I yeah I agree with him that he did work

2189
01:28:57,800 --> 01:28:55,500
there that description of the hand

2190
01:29:00,530 --> 01:28:57,810
scanner a chant actually did a great job

2191
01:29:03,979 --> 01:29:00,540
that hand scanner that he had described

2192
01:29:07,729 --> 01:29:03,989
was actually manufactured specifically

2193
01:29:10,100 --> 01:29:07,739
for the office of naval intelligence

2194
01:29:14,090 --> 01:29:10,110
which Bob had said all along was his

2195
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:14,100
employer yes I have shared with me

2196
01:29:20,540 --> 01:29:16,170
images from television shows that have

2197
01:29:22,669 --> 01:29:20,550
shown the exact scanner to I mean it

2198
01:29:25,010 --> 01:29:22,679
looks exactly like what had Lazar had

2199
01:29:28,910 --> 01:29:25,020
talked about so I'd have to look that up

2200
01:29:31,640 --> 01:29:28,920
the other situation I have is he said he

2201
01:29:34,250 --> 01:29:31,650
was driven from area 51 to this s4 place

2202
01:29:37,399 --> 01:29:34,260
at Papoose Lake he's told us a general

2203
01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:37,409
area where that was there are no roads

2204
01:29:40,820 --> 01:29:39,330
there you can see roads it's a dry

2205
01:29:43,130 --> 01:29:40,830
desert you can see roads that are

2206
01:29:46,100 --> 01:29:43,140
ancient there but there's no roads that

2207
01:29:48,740 --> 01:29:46,110
go from from area 51 to where he alleges

2208
01:29:50,780 --> 01:29:48,750
s4 was could be he told the wrong place

2209
01:29:52,850 --> 01:29:50,790
on purpose so that you know people

2210
01:29:55,490 --> 01:29:52,860
wouldn't find out or something but I

2211
01:29:57,740 --> 01:29:55,500
don't know there's a lot of CUDA Judah's

2212
01:29:59,419 --> 01:29:57,750
but I just don't think it's certainly

2213
01:30:01,459 --> 01:29:59,429
not enough evidence there for me to hang

2214
01:30:03,860 --> 01:30:01,469
my hat on the reason that I give it the

2215
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:03,870
most you know but it's still in my gray

2216
01:30:07,590 --> 01:30:05,610
basket it says it George Knapp George

2217
01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:07,600
Knapp has told me there is

2218
01:30:12,390 --> 01:30:10,330
just information he has received from

2219
01:30:14,940 --> 01:30:12,400
anonymous sources that really lend

2220
01:30:17,460 --> 01:30:14,950
credibility to the case but he cannot

2221
01:30:20,370 --> 01:30:17,470
share that information so I just don't

2222
01:30:22,410 --> 01:30:20,380
have a chance thank you very much for

2223
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:22,420
seeing all that hope we're still on

2224
01:30:25,650 --> 01:30:24,010
topic because I got a bunch of more

2225
01:30:27,540 --> 01:30:25,660
questions from other people which I will

2226
01:30:29,610 --> 01:30:27,550
not bring up because there's not enough

2227
01:30:30,930 --> 01:30:29,620
time and I didn't have a chance to focus

2228
01:30:33,150 --> 01:30:30,940
and then what you guys were saying but

2229
01:30:36,150 --> 01:30:33,160
Terry tavern tavern Eddie the polygraph

2230
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:36,160
examiner former LA cop put Lazar through

2231
01:30:39,990 --> 01:30:37,930
four tests and concluded that there was

2232
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:40,000
no attempt to deceive he felt there was

2233
01:30:43,410 --> 01:30:41,770
credibility regarding what Lazar had to

2234
01:30:46,050 --> 01:30:43,420
say he sent the results at 3:00 pali

2235
01:30:47,460 --> 01:30:46,060
pali ographers and found all the results

2236
01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:47,470
truthful now I'm not

2237
01:30:51,990 --> 01:30:49,690
it sounds like I'm defending him I'm not

2238
01:30:54,210 --> 01:30:52,000
I'm just saying that is a fact regarding

2239
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:54,220
Terry tavern Tavern Eddie you're

2240
01:30:57,930 --> 01:30:55,930
bringing another piece of credible

2241
01:31:01,800 --> 01:30:57,940
evidence and so it's valid you know

2242
01:31:05,940 --> 01:31:01,810
that's that's relevant information thank

2243
01:31:07,620 --> 01:31:05,950
you and wanted to bring up some more

2244
01:31:09,180 --> 01:31:07,630
interesting stuff here there's an

2245
01:31:13,740 --> 01:31:09,190
individual that does not want an even

2246
01:31:18,420 --> 01:31:13,750
name himself but he's been involved in

2247
01:31:20,070 --> 01:31:18,430
ufology for half a century and he's very

2248
01:31:22,980 --> 01:31:20,080
well-connected he knew a lot of

2249
01:31:25,950 --> 01:31:22,990
important people like coral Lorenzen J

2250
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:25,960
Allen Hynek a great Barker now he goes

2251
01:31:31,200 --> 01:31:28,570
back that far he wanted to ask you why

2252
01:31:34,380 --> 01:31:31,210
the change is that I ufoc ownership

2253
01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:34,390
location how did you acquire it or

2254
01:31:40,410 --> 01:31:37,810
inherit it I didn't I never have

2255
01:31:44,190 --> 01:31:40,420
so I here's how that evolution went the

2256
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:44,200
Browns owned it they they were they're a

2257
01:31:50,040 --> 01:31:47,050
great family in fact they helped Terry

2258
01:31:54,930 --> 01:31:50,050
Brown who was the patriarch of the

2259
01:31:57,630 --> 01:31:54,940
family she actually ran it and she

2260
01:32:00,240 --> 01:31:57,640
helped us at MUFON in Colorado when I

2261
01:32:03,090 --> 01:32:00,250
was working there and when we started to

2262
01:32:05,100 --> 01:32:03,100
you know doing Colorado symposiums for

2263
01:32:07,170 --> 01:32:05,110
move on out there so she was a great

2264
01:32:09,420 --> 01:32:07,180
help she really helped me understand the

2265
01:32:13,530 --> 01:32:09,430
business of running things like that so

2266
01:32:15,660 --> 01:32:13,540
in 2010 when you know the owner of open

2267
01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:15,670
minds was out you know the Browns were

2268
01:32:21,150 --> 01:32:17,770
essentially getting ready to sell or

2269
01:32:23,700 --> 01:32:21,160
close down shop so my boss who

2270
01:32:26,070 --> 01:32:23,710
to open minds bought the conference and

2271
01:32:28,440 --> 01:32:26,080
hired me to help run it and also to run

2272
01:32:30,720 --> 01:32:28,450
this you know news website open mind so

2273
01:32:34,200 --> 01:32:30,730
I had an incredible opportunity to do

2274
01:32:36,210 --> 01:32:34,210
that so I did but as time went on and as

2275
01:32:38,730 --> 01:32:36,220
he got older and essentially wanted to

2276
01:32:40,740 --> 01:32:38,740
retire and started winding down open

2277
01:32:42,390 --> 01:32:40,750
mind which is you know everybody says

2278
01:32:45,270 --> 01:32:42,400
this build you do not make money it

2279
01:32:47,340 --> 01:32:45,280
costs money and he spent a lot of money

2280
01:32:49,260 --> 01:32:47,350
on this build to keep to have our

2281
01:32:51,900 --> 01:32:49,270
excellent magazine and our great website

2282
01:32:55,980 --> 01:32:51,910
and everything going but he wanted to

2283
01:32:59,390 --> 01:32:55,990
also unload the conference and so the

2284
01:33:01,920 --> 01:32:59,400
love of my life Karen Burrard

2285
01:33:03,420 --> 01:33:01,930
she's really into the topic she had been

2286
01:33:06,030 --> 01:33:03,430
there to help me with the conference for

2287
01:33:08,370 --> 01:33:06,040
all those years here in Arizona and she

2288
01:33:10,230 --> 01:33:08,380
decided hey I want to buy and I was

2289
01:33:13,950 --> 01:33:10,240
shocked I thought I was finally free of

2290
01:33:16,380 --> 01:33:13,960
this crazy conference but that didn't

2291
01:33:19,530 --> 01:33:16,390
turn out to be the case I'm kidding it

2292
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:19,540
is fun but so she decided to purchase

2293
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:22,570
the conference and she did so she is now

2294
01:33:29,820 --> 01:33:27,370
the owner karen Burrard and so she is

2295
01:33:33,780 --> 01:33:29,830
the runner and i'm her employee so I

2296
01:33:37,440 --> 01:33:33,790
helped run the I do shipping I do

2297
01:33:39,510 --> 01:33:37,450
customer service help with a lot of

2298
01:33:42,540 --> 01:33:39,520
different things related to to the event

2299
01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:42,550
and unfortunately it's not my final say

2300
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:45,130
who the speakers are but we still have a

2301
01:33:50,250 --> 01:33:47,050
wonderful lineup and I think it's

2302
01:33:52,410 --> 01:33:50,260
actually a good thing that I don't have

2303
01:33:55,100 --> 01:33:52,420
the full say because it's better to have

2304
01:33:57,240 --> 01:33:55,110
more more people involved with that

2305
01:33:58,740 --> 01:33:57,250
thank you for answering that I just

2306
01:34:02,940 --> 01:33:58,750
wanted to let you know that Rodrigo

2307
01:34:06,660 --> 01:34:02,950
Guerra he was very adamant he wanted to

2308
01:34:08,760 --> 01:34:06,670
have me mentioned to you how put off

2309
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:08,770
something I'm sure you are already aware

2310
01:34:12,690 --> 01:34:11,050
of Alejandro helped put off mentioned a

2311
01:34:16,260 --> 01:34:12,700
document out there that is real and

2312
01:34:18,180 --> 01:34:16,270
talks about crash retrievals yeah

2313
01:34:20,310 --> 01:34:18,190
no he's got a good point how put up and

2314
01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:20,320
Eric Davis both believe that that is a

2315
01:34:24,840 --> 01:34:23,290
real phenomenon and and that's

2316
01:34:27,660 --> 01:34:24,850
interesting that that lends credibility

2317
01:34:29,670 --> 01:34:27,670
but it's just you know I interviewed

2318
01:34:31,170 --> 01:34:29,680
Eric Davis and it's you know I heard

2319
01:34:35,810 --> 01:34:31,180
from this person who heard from that

2320
01:34:38,370 --> 01:34:35,820
person type of stuff so it's still you

2321
01:34:40,680 --> 01:34:38,380
we still need more information to prove

2322
01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:40,690
whether in that that is the case I hope

2323
01:34:44,370 --> 01:34:42,370
that information does come out I owe you

2324
01:34:48,450 --> 01:34:44,380
know if it's true then that would be

2325
01:34:50,760 --> 01:34:48,460
extraordinary but I just hang my hat on

2326
01:34:55,500 --> 01:34:50,770
sometimes in this crazy racket you don't

2327
01:34:57,540 --> 01:34:55,510
mind being wrong oh yeah I love I really

2328
01:34:58,980 --> 01:34:57,550
do I love it when people point out when

2329
01:35:01,530 --> 01:34:58,990
I am wrong because I want to be as

2330
01:35:03,150 --> 01:35:01,540
accurate as possible so this happened

2331
01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:03,160
recently a guy named David Haythe

2332
01:35:06,840 --> 01:35:05,770
pointed out hey you credited this thing

2333
01:35:08,190 --> 01:35:06,850
wrong and I was like oh you're

2334
01:35:10,140 --> 01:35:08,200
absolutely correct I'm sorry

2335
01:35:13,410 --> 01:35:10,150
and I'll go and correct it and fix it

2336
01:35:15,630 --> 01:35:13,420
because it's all about the quest for the

2337
01:35:16,890 --> 01:35:15,640
truth and if I'm wrong that's exciting

2338
01:35:18,630 --> 01:35:16,900
because it means that I'm going to learn

2339
01:35:22,880 --> 01:35:18,640
something more and I'm gonna be able to

2340
01:35:26,580 --> 01:35:22,890
correct the record okay we also have a

2341
01:35:29,070 --> 01:35:26,590
person who's really important in the UFO

2342
01:35:30,740 --> 01:35:29,080
community her name is dr. Irina Scott

2343
01:35:35,340 --> 01:35:30,750
you know who she is she used to be on

2344
01:35:37,500 --> 01:35:35,350
the MUFON board for many years and she's

2345
01:35:41,420 --> 01:35:37,510
also written some books regarding

2346
01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:41,430
ethology and history regarding oh hi oh

2347
01:35:50,070 --> 01:35:47,530
she's also related to John Purdue wanted

2348
01:35:51,660 --> 01:35:50,080
to mention her question is I would like

2349
01:35:53,430 --> 01:35:51,670
to ask about the current news that has

2350
01:35:54,960 --> 01:35:53,440
been on the networks about UFOs and the

2351
01:35:57,450 --> 01:35:54,970
US Navy drafting new guidelines for

2352
01:35:58,980 --> 01:35:57,460
reporting UFOs now I did want to just

2353
01:36:01,440 --> 01:35:58,990
state her question even though we

2354
01:36:03,780 --> 01:36:01,450
already covered that did you have any

2355
01:36:06,930 --> 01:36:03,790
last things you have to say about those

2356
01:36:10,620 --> 01:36:06,940
topics at all I think that we did say

2357
01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:10,630
everything pretty much yeah yeah okay

2358
01:36:14,160 --> 01:36:11,770
good yeah I think we covered that very

2359
01:36:15,720 --> 01:36:14,170
well and I wanted to just let everybody

2360
01:36:17,700 --> 01:36:15,730
know that I'm really thrilled that we

2361
01:36:20,370 --> 01:36:17,710
had have had the privilege and honor of

2362
01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:20,380
having Alejandro on the show tonight

2363
01:36:26,250 --> 01:36:23,610
he's been so generous with his time and

2364
01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:26,260
really recommend everybody go to UFO

2365
01:36:30,360 --> 01:36:27,850
Congress because you're going to have

2366
01:36:32,220 --> 01:36:30,370
the experience of a lifetime going there

2367
01:36:34,050 --> 01:36:32,230
you're going to make friendships that

2368
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:34,060
last a lifetime and also you're going to

2369
01:36:38,040 --> 01:36:36,010
listen to speakers and that will change

2370
01:36:41,340 --> 01:36:38,050
you and they just want to reassure you

2371
01:36:42,720 --> 01:36:41,350
it's an event worth going to alejandro

2372
01:36:44,130 --> 01:36:42,730
wanted to thank you for being on our

2373
01:36:48,180 --> 01:36:44,140
show and went tell everybody to please

2374
01:36:48,870 --> 01:36:48,190
go to alejandro t rojas comm please go

2375
01:36:50,820 --> 01:36:48,880
to UFO

2376
01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:50,830
Congress calm and frank did you have any

2377
01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:52,090
last things you wanted to talk about

2378
01:36:55,459 --> 01:36:53,290
before we go

2379
01:36:59,060 --> 01:36:55,469
thanks alejandro for coming on it was a

2380
01:37:01,680 --> 01:36:59,070
fantastic show and I enjoyed it

2381
01:37:04,740 --> 01:37:01,690
well thank you so much I had a lot of

2382
01:37:06,990 --> 01:37:04,750
fun too and and not only do I know I'm

2383
01:37:09,090 --> 01:37:07,000
wrong about a lot of stuff so you know

2384
01:37:10,410 --> 01:37:09,100
we all are pretty much are so I want to

2385
01:37:12,780 --> 01:37:10,420
say you know even if I have these

2386
01:37:15,209 --> 01:37:12,790
opinions I love to hear other people's

2387
01:37:18,300 --> 01:37:15,219
opinions really yeah there's nobody

2388
01:37:19,950 --> 01:37:18,310
anyone else's nobody gets a wall 100%

2389
01:37:23,129 --> 01:37:19,960
right in this racket there's just no way

2390
01:37:26,490 --> 01:37:23,139
it's not possible right well let me put

2391
01:37:28,830 --> 01:37:26,500
it this way if people expect you or me

2392
01:37:31,410 --> 01:37:28,840
or Frank to be perfect regarding

2393
01:37:33,540 --> 01:37:31,420
reporting or anybody else in UF ology

2394
01:37:36,450 --> 01:37:33,550
you know be a hundred percent perfect

2395
01:37:37,740 --> 01:37:36,460
all the time they're setting the bar too

2396
01:37:40,140 --> 01:37:37,750
high they need to set that for

2397
01:37:42,660 --> 01:37:40,150
themselves but at the same time you know

2398
01:37:46,110 --> 01:37:42,670
it's really important to the intent is

2399
01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:46,120
important to want to try these true to

2400
01:37:49,229 --> 01:37:48,730
evidence and facts as possible but your

2401
01:37:50,820 --> 01:37:49,239
intent

2402
01:37:54,419 --> 01:37:50,830
Alejandro's to do that so that's

2403
01:37:56,760 --> 01:37:54,429
important yeah I do want to jump in

2404
01:37:58,379 --> 01:37:56,770
really quick and say yeah it's true but

2405
01:38:00,209 --> 01:37:58,389
I really love it when somebody tells me

2406
01:38:06,810 --> 01:38:00,219
I'm wrong and I can go back and prove

2407
01:38:10,919 --> 01:38:06,820
them right I'd really rub it in well I'm

2408
01:38:12,660 --> 01:38:10,929
gonna do that quite often now well I do

2409
01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:12,670
want to mention the new hybrid movie

2410
01:38:16,260 --> 01:38:13,690
that

2411
01:38:18,479 --> 01:38:16,270
Alejandro is in and so I'll go ahead and

2412
01:38:20,640 --> 01:38:18,489
drop that link right now before we stop

2413
01:38:22,290 --> 01:38:20,650
the chat it's real important Alejandro

2414
01:38:24,720 --> 01:38:22,300
can you say something about that please

2415
01:38:29,100 --> 01:38:24,730
yes it's made by a bunch of friend of

2416
01:38:32,010 --> 01:38:29,110
mine j-3 beef three films a couple of

2417
01:38:33,870 --> 01:38:32,020
John's that have been able to who

2418
01:38:36,330 --> 01:38:33,880
created that some of the people Laurie

2419
01:38:38,610 --> 01:38:36,340
Wagner Chad chase were some of the

2420
01:38:40,200 --> 01:38:38,620
production people on that so I love

2421
01:38:43,290 --> 01:38:40,210
these people they're wonderful wonderful

2422
01:38:44,910 --> 01:38:43,300
people now abduction isn't my thing and

2423
01:38:47,100 --> 01:38:44,920
I told them that but what I did

2424
01:38:49,200 --> 01:38:47,110
represent in there is that you know and

2425
01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:49,210
what I feel is it has to be taken more

2426
01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:52,090
seriously because there are thousands

2427
01:38:55,229 --> 01:38:53,290
and thousands of people that are

2428
01:38:57,240 --> 01:38:55,239
claiming to have these experiences and

2429
01:38:59,370 --> 01:38:57,250
for that reason tens of thousands if not

2430
01:39:01,350 --> 01:38:59,380
hundreds of thousands for that reason

2431
01:39:02,729 --> 01:39:01,360
alone we really need to take a serious

2432
01:39:05,339 --> 01:39:02,739
look at it people don't need to be

2433
01:39:06,839 --> 01:39:05,349
that I think we you know mainstream

2434
01:39:10,020 --> 01:39:06,849
science needs to take a look at it and

2435
01:39:10,979 --> 01:39:10,030
see what's going on here Alejandra have

2436
01:39:14,279 --> 01:39:10,989
to ask you a favor

2437
01:39:17,339 --> 01:39:14,289
there's a very kind person who follows

2438
01:39:20,009 --> 01:39:17,349
us on all of our broadcast he's a good

2439
01:39:22,169 --> 01:39:20,019
person his name is Steven Padilla and I

2440
01:39:23,580 --> 01:39:22,179
failed to ask his question tonight do

2441
01:39:25,290 --> 01:39:23,590
you mind if I ask you his question

2442
01:39:27,720 --> 01:39:25,300
because it's really important to him and

2443
01:39:30,149 --> 01:39:27,730
he's asked it repeatedly and I I did not

2444
01:39:34,020 --> 01:39:30,159
mean to not ask it can I know who he is

2445
01:39:35,399 --> 01:39:34,030
and I am and I definitely I just even's

2446
01:39:37,350 --> 01:39:35,409
great and I definitely would love to

2447
01:39:39,989 --> 01:39:37,360
fill this quick okay so here's this

2448
01:39:43,200 --> 01:39:39,999
question why do you disagree with John

2449
01:39:46,739 --> 01:39:43,210
Greenwald regarding Luis Elizondo and TT

2450
01:39:49,500 --> 01:39:46,749
si well there's a ton of reasons I I

2451
01:39:52,220 --> 01:39:49,510
think that you know here's the issue I

2452
01:39:56,100 --> 01:39:52,230
think we have to be very careful of not

2453
01:39:58,560 --> 01:39:56,110
assuming and so for instance you know I

2454
01:40:01,140 --> 01:39:58,570
think Greenwald is a great thinker he's

2455
01:40:03,569 --> 01:40:01,150
a great researcher but he's not an

2456
01:40:05,729 --> 01:40:03,579
interviewer for the most part and I

2457
01:40:07,830 --> 01:40:05,739
think that you know that's hard and when

2458
01:40:10,200 --> 01:40:07,840
it comes to journalism you know you got

2459
01:40:10,799 --> 01:40:10,210
to give the people a chance to speak for

2460
01:40:12,600 --> 01:40:10,809
themselves

2461
01:40:14,370 --> 01:40:12,610
so for instance there was a lot of

2462
01:40:16,799 --> 01:40:14,380
question how did you know the name

2463
01:40:19,589 --> 01:40:16,809
change from a SAP to a tip well we have

2464
01:40:21,209 --> 01:40:19,599
him for me or I have information and you

2465
01:40:23,879 --> 01:40:21,219
know where I got that I went and asked

2466
01:40:25,500 --> 01:40:23,889
Lou there are questions why didn't the

2467
01:40:27,540 --> 01:40:25,510
New York Times cover this why ain't the

2468
01:40:29,009 --> 01:40:27,550
New York Times cover this I have those

2469
01:40:30,419 --> 01:40:29,019
answers and I haven't made interviews

2470
01:40:32,520 --> 01:40:30,429
and on papers because I went and talked

2471
01:40:33,989 --> 01:40:32,530
to Leslie I interviewed her again about

2472
01:40:36,299 --> 01:40:33,999
something that people were questioning

2473
01:40:38,040 --> 01:40:36,309
just last week and I said has anybody

2474
01:40:40,350 --> 01:40:38,050
even come to you as anybody asks you

2475
01:40:42,989 --> 01:40:40,360
this question before and she says no no

2476
01:40:45,359 --> 01:40:42,999
one well you how can you criticize or

2477
01:40:48,060 --> 01:40:45,369
accuse these people of being dishonest

2478
01:40:49,620 --> 01:40:48,070
without asking them themselves and you

2479
01:40:51,689 --> 01:40:49,630
know I think it's just as a journalist

2480
01:40:53,669 --> 01:40:51,699
you often learn what you don't know you

2481
01:40:55,979 --> 01:40:53,679
don't know you know you may assume that

2482
01:40:57,600 --> 01:40:55,989
you have an idea of what is going on

2483
01:40:59,370 --> 01:40:57,610
here but then when you go do the

2484
01:41:00,930 --> 01:40:59,380
research and the interviews you find out

2485
01:41:03,959 --> 01:41:00,940
you know what I was completely wrong

2486
01:41:05,669 --> 01:41:03,969
happens to me all the time and so I

2487
01:41:07,739 --> 01:41:05,679
think as a journalist we often go into

2488
01:41:09,180 --> 01:41:07,749
it learning it's not even worth coming

2489
01:41:10,859 --> 01:41:09,190
up with an opinion because I'm probably

2490
01:41:12,509 --> 01:41:10,869
gonna be wrong and these people are

2491
01:41:16,500 --> 01:41:12,519
gonna tell me what the what's going on

2492
01:41:19,860 --> 01:41:16,510
anyway so I every you know a lot of the

2493
01:41:22,220 --> 01:41:19,870
criticisms have all have prosaic answers

2494
01:41:26,070 --> 01:41:22,230
and these answers have come to light and

2495
01:41:28,710 --> 01:41:26,080
you know and they've been accurate all

2496
01:41:31,950 --> 01:41:28,720
of all along there are reasons why you

2497
01:41:34,920 --> 01:41:31,960
know these discrepancies have happened

2498
01:41:37,140 --> 01:41:34,930
over time I even challenged Eric Davis

2499
01:41:40,080 --> 01:41:37,150
over some of these and I've been accused

2500
01:41:41,460 --> 01:41:40,090
including bhaijaan of being too

2501
01:41:42,900 --> 01:41:41,470
buddy-buddy with these people

2502
01:41:44,940 --> 01:41:42,910
but you know what I'm buddy-buddy with

2503
01:41:46,200 --> 01:41:44,950
genre at least was up until recently

2504
01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:46,210
he's been kind of frustrated with me

2505
01:41:49,560 --> 01:41:46,570
lately

2506
01:41:51,060 --> 01:41:49,570
and I've covered John honestly I've

2507
01:41:54,090 --> 01:41:51,070
criticized him where I felt there's

2508
01:41:56,430 --> 01:41:54,100
criticism and he's taken it and and you

2509
01:41:59,340 --> 01:41:56,440
know responded to it we've debated over

2510
01:42:02,130 --> 01:41:59,350
the years and I do that with Tom DeLonge

2511
01:42:04,380 --> 01:42:02,140
and with Louise Elizondo - they don't

2512
01:42:07,050 --> 01:42:04,390
definitely like all of the things that I

2513
01:42:09,420 --> 01:42:07,060
report about them but they understand

2514
01:42:12,330 --> 01:42:09,430
that I have to be honest and I have to

2515
01:42:14,430 --> 01:42:12,340
give the facts and luckily especially

2516
01:42:16,470 --> 01:42:14,440
Lou very much appreciates that honesty

2517
01:42:19,350 --> 01:42:16,480
and fairness he tells me at least you're

2518
01:42:21,120 --> 01:42:19,360
being fair and that's what we can all we

2519
01:42:23,550 --> 01:42:21,130
can ask and John used to believe I was

2520
01:42:27,110 --> 01:42:23,560
very even though he doesn't believe that

2521
01:42:30,870 --> 01:42:27,120
lately but I hope as time goes on that

2522
01:42:33,480 --> 01:42:30,880
he'll see I am being fair because I hope

2523
01:42:35,940 --> 01:42:33,490
that my accuracy speaks for itself and I

2524
01:42:41,340 --> 01:42:35,950
think I have been very accurate and what

2525
01:42:43,050 --> 01:42:41,350
I have shared has come to fruition okay

2526
01:42:45,770 --> 01:42:43,060
thank you for that statement by you I

2527
01:42:49,140 --> 01:42:45,780
just also would like to say and that you

2528
01:42:51,120 --> 01:42:49,150
know despite all of our differences it's

2529
01:42:54,600 --> 01:42:51,130
important for people to understand and

2530
01:42:57,620 --> 01:42:54,610
that we do try and report to the best of

2531
01:43:01,850 --> 01:42:57,630
our ability according to our sources

2532
01:43:04,650 --> 01:43:01,860
what we feel is correct and true news

2533
01:43:06,120 --> 01:43:04,660
again to the best of our ability also

2534
01:43:08,330 --> 01:43:06,130
it's important for everybody to know we

2535
01:43:10,980 --> 01:43:08,340
have a right to have our own opinion so

2536
01:43:13,290 --> 01:43:10,990
as long as people can delineate the

2537
01:43:18,030 --> 01:43:13,300
difference between us sharing our

2538
01:43:20,750 --> 01:43:18,040
opinion about stuff and us sharing our

2539
01:43:22,740 --> 01:43:20,760
source information and basing our

2540
01:43:25,740 --> 01:43:22,750
reporting on that those are two

2541
01:43:27,930 --> 01:43:25,750
different things and often I'll have

2542
01:43:29,400 --> 01:43:27,940
people coming to me and say you know I

2543
01:43:30,390 --> 01:43:29,410
didn't really vibe with you on what you

2544
01:43:32,790 --> 01:43:30,400
said and I'll tell

2545
01:43:35,010 --> 01:43:32,800
I'm sorry but you know that's just my

2546
01:43:36,690 --> 01:43:35,020
perspective I cannot agree with

2547
01:43:39,060 --> 01:43:36,700
everybody that would be an impossibility

2548
01:43:41,100 --> 01:43:39,070
then I have some other people asking me

2549
01:43:43,320 --> 01:43:41,110
where did you get that information from

2550
01:43:46,290 --> 01:43:43,330
well it's because I checked with the

2551
01:43:47,760 --> 01:43:46,300
source regarding it and not only did I

2552
01:43:49,650 --> 01:43:47,770
check with the source and made sure that

2553
01:43:53,190 --> 01:43:49,660
that source was a real individual and

2554
01:43:56,010 --> 01:43:53,200
it's just important that if you're able

2555
01:43:57,390 --> 01:43:56,020
to actually have source information to

2556
01:44:00,090 --> 01:43:57,400
the best of your ability

2557
01:44:03,090 --> 01:44:00,100
there's also folks that have alias names

2558
01:44:06,510 --> 01:44:03,100
in the UFO community for a good reason

2559
01:44:10,110 --> 01:44:06,520
one of them is Issac coy and he does a

2560
01:44:12,810 --> 01:44:10,120
lot of reporting of documents go through

2561
01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:12,820
archives and more for the UF ology

2562
01:44:17,820 --> 01:44:15,610
community he does us a great service and

2563
01:44:21,420 --> 01:44:17,830
so there's all different kinds of people

2564
01:44:25,560 --> 01:44:21,430
in our community and we do the best we

2565
01:44:28,620 --> 01:44:25,570
can the only time I take offense to

2566
01:44:33,140 --> 01:44:28,630
anything is when people run to make a

2567
01:44:36,890 --> 01:44:33,150
pseudo article that is based on nonsense

2568
01:44:40,260 --> 01:44:36,900
that's not based on evidence or fact

2569
01:44:42,270 --> 01:44:40,270
facts and they don't actually check the

2570
01:44:44,220 --> 01:44:42,280
source of what they're talking about so

2571
01:44:46,440 --> 01:44:44,230
that's all I have to say about that how

2572
01:44:48,450 --> 01:44:46,450
do you feel about that Alejandra yeah I

2573
01:44:50,730 --> 01:44:48,460
would say the same and I would say that

2574
01:44:53,460 --> 01:44:50,740
you know I think I'm outlined point by

2575
01:44:55,890 --> 01:44:53,470
points on my social media and other

2576
01:44:58,140 --> 01:44:55,900
places when I do have you know

2577
01:45:01,650 --> 01:44:58,150
differences opinion with John in

2578
01:45:05,400 --> 01:45:01,660
particular but John is a great

2579
01:45:08,340 --> 01:45:05,410
researcher his websites amazing so he's

2580
01:45:10,140 --> 01:45:08,350
a very important person and we just

2581
01:45:12,450 --> 01:45:10,150
don't see eye to eye I want to jump in

2582
01:45:16,410 --> 01:45:12,460
and be fair to John because he has like

2583
01:45:18,510 --> 01:45:16,420
I said he's been a critic but again

2584
01:45:20,220 --> 01:45:18,520
going back to nap he said haters and I

2585
01:45:26,130 --> 01:45:20,230
don't regard John as a hater I believe

2586
01:45:27,720 --> 01:45:26,140
he's a critic ference all right

2587
01:45:29,490 --> 01:45:27,730
gentlemen I think we've had a great

2588
01:45:33,860 --> 01:45:29,500
evening it's been fantastic it's been a

2589
01:45:40,530 --> 01:45:38,400
I appreciate it very much so the the

2590
01:45:42,120 --> 01:45:40,540
chat room has just been extremely active

2591
01:45:44,170 --> 01:45:42,130
tonight I haven't really had the chance

2592
01:45:46,380 --> 01:45:44,180
to read everything there but I just

2593
01:45:48,790 --> 01:45:46,390
a lot of activity going on there and

2594
01:45:51,580 --> 01:45:48,800
Alejandro just want to also thank you

2595
01:45:54,430 --> 01:45:51,590
you're a luminary in the realm of UF

2596
01:45:55,960 --> 01:45:54,440
ology you're moving force everybody has

2597
01:45:58,840 --> 01:45:55,970
nothing but wonderful things to say

2598
01:46:02,410 --> 01:45:58,850
about you and and it's true I too a lot

2599
01:46:04,450 --> 01:46:02,420
of people in the apology community and I

2600
01:46:06,310 --> 01:46:04,460
have heard nothing but fantastic things

2601
01:46:08,530 --> 01:46:06,320
about you even people that disagree with

2602
01:46:10,330 --> 01:46:08,540
you will tell me that they have nothing

2603
01:46:12,190 --> 01:46:10,340
but the deepest respect for you so thank

2604
01:46:14,800 --> 01:46:12,200
you for being on our show I want to tell

2605
01:46:16,570 --> 01:46:14,810
everybody that the UFO Congress

2606
01:46:18,700 --> 01:46:16,580
convention will be on September 4th

2607
01:46:21,460 --> 01:46:18,710
through the 8th and it will happen here

2608
01:46:25,060 --> 01:46:21,470
in Phoenix Arizona so please do go to

2609
01:46:27,760 --> 01:46:25,070
that Thank You alejandro thank you thank

2610
01:46:31,060 --> 01:46:27,770
you both it's been fun absolutely thanks